• @loo@lemmy.world
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    4707 months ago

    We are still learning what is best for PC players

    More like

    We are constantly limit-testing what level of exploitation our players can endure

    • @barsquid@lemmy.world
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      977 months ago

      It’s weird how collective action works so well but they only choose to do it for this linking requirement. You could get the rootkits gone as well, gamers.

      • @loo@lemmy.world
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        507 months ago

        Most people don’t know what they’re installing or don’t care about their privacy, which is why there’s not enough people rising up against kernel level AC’s. Also, not being able to play until you create an account is much more upsetting to most people, than just clicking ‘update’ in League of Legends.

        • @barsquid@lemmy.world
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          77 months ago

          Does the rootkit install alongside the game like without explicit user action? That’s pretty unfortunate.

          • @loo@lemmy.world
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            227 months ago

            There’s a tooltip next to the update button that says something like ‘Our Anticheat Vanguard is out now!’ or smth like that. The rest is exactly the same as any other update

              • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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                147 months ago

                Keep in mind this is purchasing a Sony product after they already showed us who they were with the first rootkit scandal.

                • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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                  For the kids:

                  The Sony BMG CD copy protection rootkit scandal was a scandal focused on the implementation of copy protection measures on about 22 million CDs distributed by Sony BMG in 2005. When inserted into a computer, the CDs installed one of two pieces of software that provided a form of digital rights management (DRM) by modifying the operating system to interfere with CD copying. Neither program could easily be uninstalled, and they created vulnerabilities that were exploited by unrelated malware. One of the programs would install and “phone home” with reports on the user’s private listening habits, even if the user refused its end-user license agreement (EULA), while the other was not mentioned in the EULA at all. Both programs contained code from several pieces of copylefted free software in an apparent infringement of copyright, and configured the operating system to hide the software’s existence, leading to both programs being classified as rootkits.

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        the problem with that is that the people playing thoose games have no idea what a rootkit is

    • @Guru_Insights99@lemm.ee
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      Brooooo this victory is an absolute game-changer for us die-hard Xbox fans, and it’s downright exhilarating! Sony’s constant blunders pale in comparison to the countless triumphs of team Xbox, and this might just be the knockout blow that finally converts those Lamestationers to our side. Brace yourselves for an epic shift as the unrivaled supremacy of our console dazzles and dominates, pulling every gamer into its unstoppable vortex of pure excitement and adrenaline-fueled gaming bliss!👊👊

  • @cordlesslamp@lemmy.today
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    “we’re still learning What’s best for PC players”

    Translation: We’re trying multiple predatory methods to see how far we can push PC players and figure out what we can get away with, compared to all the shit shows we successfully pulled off on our own platform.

    • @ZeroTwo@lemmy.world
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      257 months ago

      We all want PlayStation exclusives on PC, their response now is going to be their own launcher. Just a guess on my end.

      • @Codilingus@sh.itjust.works
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        57 months ago

        What’s wild to me is they’re making their own overlay for their PC games. Ghost of Tsushima is supposed to be the first release title with it. Do they not understand steam already has an overlay? I feel like 2 overlays would just compete and be obnoxious and possibly ever impact performance.

        Also, why? If it is for co-op crossplay, just make linking PSN to Steam optional, and state it is needed for inviting/grouping with any PS5 friends. Then do what every other multiplatform game does and show 2 friends list in the game.

  • @stardust@lemmy.ca
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    This shows the power of steam reviews with it being driven by the actual community. People tried to downplay and belittle its effectiveness, but it being front and center on the store page does have more impact than there would be without steam reviews. If there were no steam reviews the PSN requirement would have been pushed through with it being easier to ignore some random internet comments on social media than a store page.

    • Ech
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      Reviews aren’t pointless, but their impact only goes so far. I am assuming the massive amount of refunds had more to do with it, tbh.

      • @Glide@lemmy.ca
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        1097 months ago

        I suspect someone in accounting ran the numbers and decided they stand to lose more to reduced microtransaction sales than they would have gained via selling scraped data.

        Though I agreed with you. It’s still a win, but we have to be careful not to conflate this with Sony “caring”.

        • BruceTwarzen
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          I still think the biggest reason why they wanted to push their shitty platform is to artificially push player numbers. “Look how many people use our scam network, see?”
          Now the hilarious part is that hopefully someone has to explain why people go these lengths, just to not join their shitty service.

          • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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            That isn’t why. PlayStation doesn’t view this as a problem and in fairness, I don’t either. If the game had shipped with this requirement, it would’ve been fine. Many people put up with Ubisoft and they have a whole separate account plus launcher.

            What Sony actually wanted was to make it easier on their server side to authenticate purchases and then to use the same PSN account systems to matchmaker for easier cross-play.

            Would they collect data? I guess. They can already do that if they want as a publisher. So yeah it’s purely just to use their ecosystem, which makes sense.

            • @Glide@lemmy.ca
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              167 months ago

              Insane take imo. How does purchase authentication or cross play suddenly become “easier” with this change? Either it works or it doesn’t; having PC players connected to a PSN account doesn’t alleviate server load.

              • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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                Did I mention server load? What I mean is that having a PSN account means that whatever game is processing your account details doesn’t have to deal with Steam accounts, it just deals with a PSN account the same as it would if you were on PS5.

                What I’m saying is it streamlines the code on the developers side of the games they’re publishing and again if Sony is using systems already to authenticate purchases or whatever that can be collected in systems they already have.

                This isn’t rocket science, PSN may just be a translation layer.

                • @Glide@lemmy.ca
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                  87 months ago

                  It absolutely has to deal with a Steam account every single time I log in to confirm ownership of the title. And then again every time I make a purchase from my Steam wallet. And again every time I connect to a friend through my Steam friends list.

                  It’s literally adding another potential point of failure and removes none of the necessities of dealing with the other service. I only suggested the server load bit because I can’t for the life of me understand how you can think it’s “easier” to insist that these two systems interact in a new way when they’re already up and functioning, and the original reason account linking was disabled was to make the game more stable.

                • @David_Eight@lemmy.world
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                  But… that’s the exact opposite of what actually happened. The PSN requirement was so buggy they had to disabled it for the game to work.

            • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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              07 months ago

              make it easier on their server side to authenticate purchases and then to use the same PSN account systems to matchmaker for easier cross-play.

              Like fraud prevention?

              Easier cross play?

              • @CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
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                07 months ago

                I mean yeah this is especially true for online games as this is a form of DRM for Sony and it gives them control to easily reject or accept keys and ban users using their pre-existing systems.

                Same thing with cross-play, it’s possible that some of these games were designed to use PSN systems and so that makes integration easy. No clue, but if true it makes sense from Sonys perspective on both of those fronts.

        • @jaybone@lemmy.world
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          27 months ago

          It was not “someone in accounting”

          This shit goes all the way to the top. Every manager in the chain will have their take and influence on the numbers.

          • @Glide@lemmy.ca
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            97 months ago

            Sure, and I’m not suggesting said bean counter was responsible for the decision. What I am suggesting is that the only thing that influenced the decision was bottom line finances. Someone ran the numbers, and when the suits discovered that they stand to lose more money than they’d gain, they reversed the decision. Never mistake this as Sony “listening” to anything more than their investors and their bottom line.

      • BruceTwarzen
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        It’s probably a bit of this and a bit of that. I mean the game went from one of the best revied games to one of the worst in a day. There were refunds and a drop in players all at the same time.

        • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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          My prediction is that the game will rebound, certainly, but will not reach back to the levels it had before. A percentage of people who refunded won’t be buying again and another section probably will quit the game altogether, now or as soon as something newer and shinier shows up. Lots will forget to change their review.

          Sony actively hurt their own game and probably made irreparable damage.

      • Stern
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        67 months ago

        I’d imagine that there’s math to be done on sales for a mixed review game vs. a overwhelming positive one, and its not favorable.

      • @Allero@lemmy.today
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        107 months ago

        Made me imagine a page where everyone everyday can leave 1 vote on how good the government performs

        If the scores are too low for a prolonged period of time, the government is dismissed.

        (Obviously a very first-second concept with millions of flaws - just a thought)

          • @Allero@lemmy.today
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            67 months ago

            Two-party system is the enemy of democracy to begin with

            But maybe even they would be more inclined to do better everyday

          • @Allero@lemmy.today
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            Many countries actually have such systems in place today, even Russia (lol) - not that they work too well.

            Normally, there are two sources of issues here: petitions can in fact be declined, and, in cases where the signature count depends on scale of the petition they can be intentionally escalated as to make it impossible to gain enough signatures. Besides, in many cases petitions can be left unanswered for longer than promised.

            Long story short, the system is open to shenanigans and doesn’t make the government truly accountable.

            We need the system that would actually make politicians rapidly lose their jobs when they ignore public opinion.

            • @brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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              47 months ago

              Good detailed response :)

              make politicians rapidly lose their jobs when they ignore public opinion.

              Under such conditions, would the US have ended slavery or enacted the Civil Rights Act?

              • @Allero@lemmy.today
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                Completely depends on who is allowed to vote.

                If slaves would have a vote, they’d certainly strongly choose one option :D

                Same for the discriminated groups.

                If they don’t have a vote, this depends on the rest of society in the short run, but can cause violent rebellions in the long one. Democratic system does not eliminate possibility of revolt.

    • @Default_Defect@midwest.social
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      The sony communities I saw poopooing the whole thing flipped immediately into “WE DID IT” mode, pretending they actually cared about the people that were going to lose access.

    • @Syrc@lemmy.world
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      This is why Steam reviews should be taken much more seriously. This was impossible to avoid due to the enormous amount of bad press and devs themselves jumping on the hate train, but I’m betting that a lot of review bombing attempts have been quietly offset by the company just paying people for fake reviews. It’s especially obvious when the game has relatively low reviews for months and months, then suddenly bad stuff happens and along with the justified dump of negative reviews, positive ones also skyrocket (99% of which composed of “good game”, random memes or ascii art).

    • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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      717 months ago

      There was a theory that the purchase restrictions were put in place by Valve, not Sony (because those countries couldn’t make an account without violating TOS). If so, Valve might shortly remove the restrictions.

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        157 months ago

        Would the publisher not have to request the game not be sold in those countries before Valve restricts the sale of it?

        I believe that Valve may be the ones who do it, but just doing it without permission sounds… Illegal and out of their jurisdiction.

        I know Valve controls their storefront and can absolutely pull games down, just looking for some clarification on whether this could be true or not.

        • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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          277 months ago

          Valve can remove games from sale for any reason they like - it’s been a point of consumer contention when they are accused of censorship for certain risque anime games, too.

          • They can completely remove a game from sale if it turns out to be bricking people’s computers or function terribly. (Sony did this with Cyberpunk on PSN, without CDPR’s approval)
          • There may be suspicion the game is not legitimate for sale, for instance it illegally uses someone else’s work.
          • Going country-specific, if a game is revealed to be slightly less than universally positive to the perfectly infallible, totally-not-genocidal Chinese Communist Party, they may want to stop sales in China.

          If a game lets you buy it in Tanzania, download it in Tanzania, and then to play, has you sign an agreement that says “I truthfully state that I do not live in Tanzania”, then that bone-headed agreement reflects poorly on Valve, so they have almost a legal need to take it out of sale in that country.

          Basically, each country has its own laws of sale. Having those switches to turn off sales in certain places is important for the store’s own safety. While 60% of the blame for selling a faulty product goes to the manufacturer, 40% still goes to the storefront that chose to stock and sell that faulty good. In this case, the fault was specific to the country of play.

          • TheDonkerZ
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            67 months ago

            That’s right, I have heard of some of these cases, but thank you very much for the info! I definitely didn’t want Sony to have any ground to stand on here, so happy that Valve is able to step up to protect consumers however they can.

        • @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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          67 months ago

          I wish they’d remove some of the PS2 to PC ports on their store that don’t actually run anymore. Prince of Persia, Saints Row 2, etc.

          • @shinratdr@lemmy.ca
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            97 months ago

            I hope Valve never does this. Tons of games on Steam only work with community fixes, it sets a bad precedent if they pull them because they don’t work in their official state.

            It’s better to have them then not, I would just force a disclaimer during sale for abandoned titles that most players have reported that the game does not function without community patches.

            • @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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              Well the guy who made GotR to get saints row working died a few years back and AFAIK the game is effectively nonfunctional for the majority of people who buy it. Those people paid for a product that they cannot use. They could go emulate the game for free and it would run better.

              Plus, the owners of the title have a functioning PC version sold elsewhere than Steam. They could easily remedy this if Steam took away their listing.

            • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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              27 months ago

              Is there one for Sims 3 Medieval? A warning that it wasn’t playable on modern OSes would have sufficed.

        • @AProfessional@lemmy.world
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          37 months ago

          We don’t know their personal contract, but calling it illegal is ridiculous, I’m sure Valve explicitly allows for this.

          • TheDonkerZ
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            That’s why I said I wasn’t sure and that I was asking for clarification?

        • RubberDuck
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          Illegal and out of their jurisdiction

          Illegal means against the law… so no.
          Out of their jurisdiction, Steam is Valve’s platform, so no again.

          Valve is the seller in this case, who will be liable for the agreement they have with their customers. If one of their sold product is going to end up massively refunded, who do you think will be processing these? Then Valve has to turn around and get the money from Sony… guess how Valve estimates that will go.

          So step 1 for Valve is limit exposure by stopping sales where you expect issues.
          Step 2 is analyzing the potential for refunds in other countries and limiting there as well if deemed to big a risk.

          I can only imagine that feedback from Valve to Sony played a role in the decision to not push forward. As large corporations only speak money… the cost benefit made at Sony must have missed some things to have it now skew the other way.

          I’ll believe the account requirement will be totally in the past IF the sales to the non PSN countries are reinstated. Cause why limit your customers to countries if that is not necessary.

    • @poleslav@lemmy.world
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      Honestly I’m keeping my negative review permanent. The game is great and I enjoy it, but besides a temporary back lash I want the sting to stick around to hopefully teach companies about fucking around and finding out.

        • @dezmd@lemmy.world
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          Maybe he’ll be teaching them that trying to force enshittification on people in the first place has repercussions.

      • Karyoplasma
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        They won’t learn anything. They only nulled their bullshit because it would hurt their financial quarter because their biggest cash cow game at the moment is bombing. They only way to maybe make them learn would be if every single one of the “outraged gamers” would just uninstall and never play it again, but that won’t happen and Sony knows that (which is why they can try pulling that shit in the first place).

        Good for the peeps in non-PSN countries tho. For them, this is a real win.

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    “We’re still learning what is best for PC players”

    Well PlayStation staff member, it definitely isn’t having people create another account when they already have a Steam account.

      • @Glide@lemmy.ca
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        How much less bullshit PC players are willing to put up with compared to their console counterparts, apparently.

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          Uhhhh, people install shit like Vanguard just so that they can keep having their mother insulted in the ingame chat.

          And many people put up with cascades of different lauchers (and accounts).

          So I am glad that there was some push back this time, but it’s not like there would be some sane baseline of PC players in that regard.

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            Imagine doing this for all kinds of stuff like ads, over priced groceries, other games that required needless launchers.

            Just surprising how this works so often and every time there are still people trying to convince everyone to just move on.

            • @barsquid@lemmy.world
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              If people were capable of choosing long over short term value then the market might be working instead of the shitshow it is right now. IDGI either.

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            It’s almost as if cheaters ruin hyper competitive games like Valorant. How dare they try to keep the game free from cheaters. The nerve!

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              I’d have a bit more symphaty if they at least tried to do the bare minimum before choosing the nuclear option.

              Most notably, the PVE queues in LoL were infested with bots for years and you could tell them apart from real players before they even made their first move. Often times you’d be the only human player. If stuff like that wasn’t caught, I have serious doubts about their previous efforts to catch “real” cheaters.

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                Also there could (and should?) be “simply” two launch options. One with “hardcore anti cheat” and one with some much simpler anti-cheat. Then a lobby option what you want to allow. You want to play competitive/league/whatever? Then require the hardcore anti-cheat. Otherwise: why bother.

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                  Yup. At the very least, they shouldn’t have made it a requirement for TFT. If it were possible to cheat there that’d be more of a game design problem anyway.

            • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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              As someone who rehosts an old game after the official servers shutdown, we have a dedicated servers for cheating and real moderators for the non-cheat ones. It works great but big corps don’t way to pay for mods.

              I also wonder why big companies don’t do it to train ML algorithms on the cheat server data too…

                • Sonotsugipaa
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                  Agreed. For detecting cheaters, statistics work like a Dream

                • @aksdb@lemmy.world
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                  Only if you want to cap the skill limit. Otherwise you would typically have a hand full of players that are genuinely just good or rather far outside the normal skill range. I guess with a lot of data collection one might be able to determine if there was some kind of natual progress or sudden skill jumps, but all in all it could weed out legitimate players.

            • @Allero@lemmy.today
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              Honestly I’d rather have a cheater in my lobby than Riot Games deep into the sections of my PC they should never have accessed.

              With that said, I do not play Valorant for this reason (and also because it would require me to dualboot since Vanguard cannot be ported on Linux, lol)

            • @Jako301@feddit.de
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              I’d be somewhat ok with Kernel anticheat if they would work, but the simple truth is that they do nothing of value. COD has Kernel anticheat with Riccochet and is flooded with cheaters. Valorant has only slightly less cause riot updates Vanguard more often.

              But guess what, it usually takes 1-2 days for new cheats to reach the relevant forums, maybe a few days more until they are more widely aviable. At most cheaters have to spend another 5€ every 6 months, but that’s it. They don’t care, the amount of money spent on accounts every other month is already way higher.

              The only two things anticheat like vanguard protects you from is script kiddies that google “valorant cheat .exe” and Linux only players. And the former could just as well be filtered out without Kernel level.

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        It’s all a fucking smokescreen. Man, people just eat that shit up. Every time. It’s almost like the game is saturated in satire and we’re spooning it down ourselves.

        Oh, wait. fuck.

      • BruceTwarzen
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        They are used to playstation players who buy a console for twice the price it’s worth through discord bots. I don’t think they even know what a backlash is

        • Programmer Belch
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          Nowadays a console is just a locked down, less expensive pc. I think buying the components of a ps5 and assembling the pc is more expensive than just buying a console and liberating it, which is what I would do if I was to ever buy one.

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            which is why the steam deck was such a breath of fresh air, it’s what consoles SHOULD be.

            A computer built primarily for gaming, sold at a reasonable price, that merrily lets you switch to desktop mode and launch excel for some office work if you want to.

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        Maybe a company that has (mostly) made consoles isn’t exactly playing games or has people on staff on the executive level that play(ed) on a PC. I’m 30 and outside of a brief time I tried to play on a PC I’ve pretty much been console my entire life. My first gaming experiences were all on console. It’s completely logical for a company to make a move like this when they have specialized in one area for a time.

    • @RampageDon@lemmy.world
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      Yea, this reads more like a sorry, this was too forced we will do something more subtle in the future. Not an actual apology.

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        They don’t even say sorry. They did not use the words Sorry, Mistake, Problem, Wrong, or Fault. They say the approximation of “We see you’re absolutely outraged. We’ve decided to change our decisions. We are always improving.”

    • @MeanEYE@lemmy.world
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      Translated: Dear suckers who keep giving us money for half-finished products. We are sincerely sorry, sorry for getting caught. We thought we could squeeze through with this one, but apparently our PC fans are not as gullible as our console fans.

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      They haven’t. Ghosts of Tsushima’s PC release is going to require account-linking from day 1 for the online component. The only thing Sony has learned is that the shittiness has to be ready and working from the start.

      • @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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        AFAIK the game is still banned in countries where you can’t get a PSN account and also it still ships with a rootkit, so…

        • Statick
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          People were saying that might have been Valve just covering themselves from potential lawsuits. We’ll just have to see if it’s reverted.

          Nope nevermind, I was hopeful it was good guy Steam but it was in fact Sony. Fuck Sony. Will never buy another Sony game.

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    We’re still learning what is best for PC players

    We’ll keep you updated on future plans

    Behind the scenes coming up with the future plans:

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      Yeah, like, you know what is best for PC players, it just doesn’t come together with financial interest :D

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        and this is why i wish people would make it profitable, fuck AAA titles, give your money to indies who respect the consumers and actually just want to make a fun game.

        I wish game devs would found a union that helps developers fund and publish games with no profit incentive, it seems like such an obvious thing to do and has the potential to revolutionizing how people create and play games.

        No longer would we be beholden to companies, no longer would developers have to compromise their works for profit, no longer would players have to tolerate predatory bullshit.
        Just good games made by passionate people who are happy to have people enjoy their works while being able to afford to live on it.

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          That’s what I normally do - pirate or ignore AAA’s, but always buy indies.

          The problem with the union idea is that most games just won’t pay off huge investments, so there needs to be someone competent who filters out profitable games, and funds games based on expected returns…and at that point we get, essentially, a publisher company. Or maybe a cooperative. But barely a union.

      • @Kedly@lemm.ee
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        347 months ago

        Tbf, I’ve seen what happens to indies when they’re just humans in how they talk to their customers/fans. HR speak exists for a reason unfortunately

      • rockerface 🇺🇦
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        Nah, I’d rather they keep speaking like this. Makes it really obvious from the get go who I’m dealing with. If they speak normally, they might blend in

    • @Fandangalo@lemmy.world
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      Starting off with “we’ve heard your feedback” is something I’ve never heard from an abusive parent?

      • @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
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        Naw it’s more like “we did something we knew would make you incredibly uncomfortable; but now that you’re screaming we’re worried about the neighbors hearing it and we don’t want the cops called on us, so we’ll back off until a more opportune time.”

  • BruceTwarzen
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    Where are the: “just make an account bro” people now? Probably pre ordering skyrim the definite edition

    • Sonotsugipaa
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      I’d imagine some of them are here:

      (edit: forgot to un-dox the user)

      • Hyphlosion
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        I’d love to shut up and play Starship Troopers: The Game. But unfortunately, I don’t have a PS5 or gaming PC. Still holding out hope that this will come to Xbox one day.

        • AlexisFR
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          It has as much chance has Halo Infinite coming to PS5.

          • @NIB@lemmy.world
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            Actually Halo Infinite might come out on ps5. Microsoft is publishing a lot of their games to Playstation atm. Sea of Thieves, Hi-fi rush, Grounded, Pentiment are all out on ps5.

            Sea of Thieves was one of the big xbox exclusive games, developed by Rare, which is owned by Microsoft since 2002 and all the games they have made in the last 15+ years have been xbox exclusive.

        • William
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          I don’t think politely asking people to change their review so that it reflects reality is a “karen” move.

    • MrScottyTay
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      I was one of them to begin with but once I found out about the whole thing with people of certain countries not able to have an account even though they had already bought the game and were even previously able to play are now locked out, then I was on board.

      I’m not against just making accounts, I must have thousands across the internet, what would be one more if I hadn’t already had a PSN account.

      • @Isoprenoid@programming.dev
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        197 months ago

        what would be one more if I hadn’t already had a PSN account.

        One more attack vector to gain access to all your other accounts across the internet.

        • @NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world
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          187 months ago

          Using a password manager would avoid this. Everyone should ideally use unique passwords per service, that way a single account can’t compromise the others.

          The loss of personal data however is fricking annoying. If a company has no legitimate reason, I avoid signing up to them.

          Looking at you Nvidia, Razar, etc…

          • RadimentriX
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            @NocturnalEngineer @Isoprenoid i was so infuriated back when nvidia demanded an account for shadowplay. I thought id lose access to the encoder thingy. So glad that it can be used by other software too. Uninstalled the shadowplay/gf experience stuff and never looked back

      • @bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
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        Wouldn’t it be nice to not have your info spread across thosands of accounts that you yourself even implied you don’t keep track of?

        What sony pulled, and coporate moves like it, are at least in part a result of people saying “meh, what’s one more account, I’ve already got thousands.”

        We as a community aren’t an immaculate entity. Companies don’t just make these moves out of nowhere, they analyze what we’re willing to do so they can take advantage of those things to make money. That’s not some sleazy secret scheme, thats basic market research. If we collectively show we do actually care about this stuff and won’t supoort their business when they do it, it might not happen so often.

      • Echo Dot
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        But the game isn’t even available on PlayStation so why am I creating an account? At the very least it’s pointless busy work. And apparently not even well thought out.

    • @Kedly@lemm.ee
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      Demanding we apologize for the negative reviews now that Sony has reverted the change, if the discord server is anything to go by

    • @Cornucopiaofplenty@lemmy.world
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      437 months ago

      It’s Feedback in the way that microphone feedback is - really bloody loud and painful, and makes you know you’ve done something wrong

      • billwashere
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        Yeah exactly. And it’s often the only feedback that gets any attention unfortunately. It was getting media attention and getting very loud.

        Plus the whole thing was just stupid. They could have accomplished exactly the same thing with little backlash by offering some little in-game trinket for voluntarily linking a PSN account where it was possible to get one. This wasn’t my idea, I saw it somewhere on Lemmy, but that person needs to get a job at Sony stat because the chucklefucks working there now have no clue.

  • littleblue✨
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    For now… 🖕🏽 They worded that so weasely, they’re just waiting for the storm to pass and for Legal to come up with some compelling reason why they’re totally “obligated” to make it happen, “hands tied” “so sorry” and all that.

    Fuck Sony. They made this SOP way back when, and there’s no way they let this stop them forever. It’s all about profit, not what “we” want.

    • @raker@lemmy.world
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      157 months ago

      “You know that thing where the initial assault is just a ploy to draw people in for the real attack?”