• @Fal
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    49 months ago

    yet they also are often some of the biggest perpetrators of gendered identities.

    You’re reading too much into it. Society says that tea parties are feminine. Whether that’s inherent to gender, or entirely a social imposition doesn’t really matter. Trans people are NOT saying that if you like tea parties then you’re a girl. But if you like tea parties, wished you could wear dresses, wanted sleepovers with the other girls instead of the boys, then that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re trans, but it might be something to consider.

    Think about it this way. Trans people were denied the opportunity to participate in these stereotypically feminine things without feeling weird. And I don’t mean weird because people tell you it’s wrong to like that stuff. That’s definitely part of it. But it also just feels like you’re an alien. You may be participating in tea parties, and wearing dresses, etc. But even if that was totally normal, it would still feel wrong to be doing that as a boy.

    I don’t know if any of that made sense. But I think you see trans people wanting to be able to experience stereotypical femininity and misinterpret that as a desire to impose those stereotypes on others

    • @uis@lemm.ee
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      19 months ago

      Society says that tea parties are feminine.

      I’m trying to imagine how society would say to Discord the Spirit of Chaos that his tea parties with Fluttetshy are girly. And what he will do to such society

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        29 months ago

        Discord the Spirit of Chaos … fluttershy

        Hey now you’re speaking my language.

        But, I mean, it’s not untrue, right? Whether it’s right, or inherent, or what, tea parties are girly. That doesn’t mean that men can’t participate at all, or that if they do it means they’re girls.

        I would also argue that discord is more interested in spending time with fluttershy rather than the tea party itself. So I’m not sure how much we should take about gender roles from that.

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          9 months ago

          I would also argue that Discord is more interested in spending time with Fluttershy rather than the tea party itself.

          It’s glaringly obvious he is into Fluttershy, there is nothing to argue about.

          Whether it’s right, or inherent, or what, tea parties are girly.

          I don’t think so. I remember in kindergarden playing pretending tea party few times.

          And where I live 40 years ago(based on what older generation says) all politics was discussed on kitchens, so invite into tea party could also be invite to chat about politics.

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            29 months ago

            I don’t think so. I remember in kindergarden playing pretending tea party few times.

            Not sure how this is an argument for whether tea parties are girly or not. I never said only girls do it. But in general tea parties are a girly thing. And like I posted in another comment, whether that’s 100% because of societal imposed gender norms doesn’t really matter that much since we live in that society