• Neuromancer
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    110 months ago

    I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of extracting labor. You’re paid for your labor. If you don’t feel you are paid enough, quit. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of capitalism. I can sell my labor for what I see fit.

    • aebletrae [she/her]
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      1610 months ago

      This is the reasoning that leads to “if you think medicines are too expensive, stop buying them” with much the same problem of it not being quite that simple for the majority of humanity, whose “choices” are not as unconstrained as the ones you’re familiar with.

      • Neuromancer
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        110 months ago

        It’s just how the world works. You want a job. they offer X, you want Y. Don’t take it until they offer Y. If they don’t offer it, then go somewhere else. Unless you live in a communist country, the worker always has the advantage as there are more jobs than people.

        • aebletrae [she/her]
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          1410 months ago

          I know you deleted your earlier nonsense, but I saw some of it first, so I know how out of touch you are. You were wrong about how much wealth people have, but even after having that corrected, here you are with “It’s just how the world works”, another incorrect assertion that might describe your experience of the world, but is unrepresentative for humanity as a whole.

          Most people don’t have the luxuries you so clearly take for granted. Turning down exploitative employment is only an option for those with money in reserve. Most people do not have that. Going somewhere else means separation from family and friends—easy enough for the thoroughly unlikable, but community is important to most members of a social species. And, anyway, that’s assuming there aren’t legal restrictions like immigration controls. As I said before, most lives are more constrained than yours, and that isn’t because those people are any less deserving. That is how the world works.

          I’m going to suggest you read the article “Why Fascism is the Wave of the Future” by Edward Luttwak. Don’t worry, it’s just a warning, and it starts:—

          That capitalism unobstructed by public regulations, cartels, monopolies, oligopolies, effective trade unions, cultural inhibitions or kinship obligations is the ultimate engine of economic growth is an old-hat truth

          so it’s not commie propaganda. But it might relieve you of some of your misconceptions, since you clearly aren’t listening to us here. Of course, you could just carry on regardless, but then it’ll be just far too clear that you’re not acting in good faith.

          • Neuromancer
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            010 months ago

            Everyone in America has the same luxuries I have in taking or not taking a job. The Constitution and the laws of the united states codify it. You can’t force someone to take a job they don’t want to take. It’s that simple. I have no misconceptions at all. For my theory to be incorrect, you would have to show where people are forced to take employment they do not want to take.

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                010 months ago

                Not bad faith at all. It is how jobs work in a capitalist society. We don’t allow slave labor like communism does. Everyone is free to take a job or not take a job.

                • aebletrae [she/her]
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                  1310 months ago

                  We don’t allow slave labor like communism does.

                  You might want to recheck that constitution.

                  Oh, no, what am I saying? You don’t want to do that, because that would once more point out that you’re clueless in your assertions. Now I don’t want to read any more of them. And I’m free to turn you down, right?

                • RedDawn [he/him]
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                  610 months ago

                  Oh you don’t like being exploited? Well, you’re free to starve and die instead! Freedom!

                • Egon [they/them]
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                  10 months ago

                  We don’t allow slave labor l

                  Tell that to the 13th amendment and the prison-industrial complex. Maybe also phone up the people mining the minerals for your Tesla and your phone

            • RedDawn [he/him]
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              610 months ago

              The rich and the poor are equally free to sleep under a bridge at night.

              Everybody is equally free to turn down a job when they need money for food, housing, medical care and other necessities of basic life.

            • Egon [they/them]
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              310 months ago

              I can’t force someone to take a job, but I can starve them until they do. And I can make it illegal for them to acquire food in any way that isn’t engaging with my system of capitalism.

              proof

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    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1510 months ago

      Just because you say you enjoy the taste of shoe polish doesn’t mean you’re not a pathetic bootlicker.

      • Neuromancer
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        110 months ago

        You sound so effeminate when you say that. I would feel sad for you, but your statement does that for you. Bootlicker. lol… jesus that is lame.

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          You sound so effeminate when you say that.

          You sound extraordinarily misogynistic and insecure when you say that. Got some Jordan Peterson books in your mancave, bucko? up-yours-woke-moralists

          • Neuromancer
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            010 months ago

            Dude, I am still cracking up over boot licker. That is some funny stuff. Did you use your big boy voice when you said that?

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1110 months ago

              The more you try to claim you’re totally not enraged and everything is le funny to you, the more enraged you sound.

              • Neuromancer
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                110 months ago

                I’m not enraged at all. I’m quite amused. That’s the most beta male crap I’ve ever heard. I just can’t take anything you seriously after that.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  1010 months ago

                  I’m not enraged at all.

                  Sure you’re not, which is why you have to keep saying you’re le laughing right now.

                  Clearly calling you a bootlicker hit close to the mark because all you’ve done since then is act insecure and misogynistic.

                  • Neuromancer
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                    110 months ago

                    It is neither. I get you feel silly now but you keep resorting to personal attacks. Just admit you sound silly and move on.

    • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1210 months ago

      No one cares if you “buy into” anything. It exists whether you believe it or not.

      The entire point of keeping unemployment at certain levels is so capitalists can dictate wages and responsibilities. It’s not a secret. Bourgeois media openly panics whenever unemployment levels get too low.

      • Neuromancer
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        110 months ago

        No, it doesn’t exist because you claim it’s true. It’s just silly talk. It is word vomit. I am paid for the work I do and the value I create. If I don’t like their offer, I can go somewhere else and make more. I control what I want to make.

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          Right sure you do. I definitely believe you.

          You can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change how the real world works outside your head.

          • Neuromancer
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            110 months ago

            That is how the real world works. I tell them what i want. They can either pay it or someone else will. I am good at what I do, and it’s known in the industry I am worth what I ask. I have never had anyone tell me no.

            • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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              910 months ago

              Sure, if that’s even true, then good for you.

              Again, you can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change how the real world works outside your head.

              • Neuromancer
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                010 months ago

                This is how the real world work. Only in communism do you have to take what’s offered. Here you can refuse and negotiate your own wage.

                You can’t refuse that because it’s the truth. If I want 150 an hour. I won’t take less than that. I don’t need their job. They need me. I don’t need them.

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                  Cool good for you (if that’s even true)

                  Anyway, in the very real world that we live in, unemployment is kept at certain levels so capitalists can dictate wages and responsibilities. It’s not a secret. Bourgeois media openly panics whenever unemployment levels get too low.

                  • Neuromancer
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                    110 months ago

                    People panic because it means we have a shortage of workers, which will cause inflation. We have had low unemployment for years and it’s why wages keep going up. Mcdonald’s pays 20 an hour down the street from me. While Oregon has a higher minimum wage, the economy is pushing wages even higher. Now on the low end they don’t have as much bargaining power but at the high end we have a lot of bargaining power. That is how the real world works. Make sure you have a skill someone wants to pay for

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      I try to tell myself that most of the people bought into capitalism can be rehabilitated, maybe some just need to spend a few years breaking rocks to get it through their heads that other people fucking exist on this planet.

      Reading your comments has made me re-evaluate that

    • Egon [they/them]
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      310 months ago

      I don’t buy into that lame beta theory of gravity. You go down. If you don’t feel like going down, go up. It’s that simple. That is the beauty of jumping. I can jump as high as I want