When kids do linear algebra or they rise to the level of GM in chess within the first two decades of their lives, such people are obviously geniuses. Their intelligence is undeniable.
But it’s like moral/spiritual geniuses aren’t recognized in the same way, if at all. How come their intuitive expertise isn’t recognized so easily ?
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Kant? St. Augustine? Siddhartha Budda? Epictetus? Plato? Hobbes?
Ethical philosophy has had plenty of geniuses.
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant Who was very rarely stable
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Philosophy needs a better PR department
why, did we lose the old one?
It was Henry Kissinger, still waiting on the new one to spawn in.
Probably because morality is subjective and spirituality is a feeling?
WTF is a “moral/spiritual genius”? That doesn’t even make sense. It sounds like a title someone just made up for themselves to feel important.
That’s exactly what it is
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If I really think about it, someone who is considered to be an “expert” on morality would be either a philosopher or a religious leader and I doubt either of them would willing to call the other a “genius” since what is considered “morally right” can vary widely between cultures or even between individuals in the same culture as it’s a pretty personal thing.
“Spirituality” is such a nebulous term that it could mean almost literally anything and thus is not really quantifiable even in the broadest terms
Quite frankly if I met someone who claimed to be a “moral/spiritual genius” I would stay well away from them, because they’re either trying to sell you something or trick you into agreeing to something you wouldn’t otherwise agree to
Aren’t those subjective things? It’s easier to measure something like chess skill or whether or not someone can do complex math, but harder to quantify someone’s morality.
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Mozart was a child prodigy. He started playing piano at age 4, and at age 5 he started composing piano pieces that are still played today. He wrote a symphony at age 8 and an opera at 14. There is a legend that as a child, he heard a choir sing an Allegri piece and went home and transcribed the entire thing from memory.
I think with art it’s not so much the result but the process that make a genius. For example there is this guy that just has to look at some landscape for a minute … and then he can paint it from memory in increadible detail. That’s objectivly something that most humans just can’t do, that’s why it’s impressive.
Anyone operating at that level of morality wants nothing to do with humanity. It’s not that there aren’t any, it’s that you’ll never hear of them.
moral/spiritual genius
Can you define these? I’m certainly having a hard time trying to.
Morality is a subjective set of views. How can one be better at it than another? With “spiritual” intelligence, I guess we have to define the term itself before even thinking about how to measure it.
Since you wrote this post, you probably have some idea of what a moral genius is supposed to be. Can you describe what makes a person a moral genius and maybe give an example?
But yeah, if someone came to me and called themselves a moral or spiritual genius, I’d think they’re either full of it, or insane.
Chances are they are logical geniuses claiming they’ve solved morals or social interactions.
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Still, there are widely recognized universal moral values
Not really
like don’t kill other people.
So culture have the death penalty. Many would consider killing in time of war as okay. What about self-defense? Or defense of others? Is it morality wrong? What about euthenasia? Does it only applies to human? Moral is subjective.
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Joel Osteen thinks he’s what you describe. In reality he’s a disgusting narcissistic sociopath.
Moral is dependent on the time and the place. What was morally justified yesterday might be offensive tomorrow.
For example: Adolf Hitler could have been a moral genius in regards to eugenics whereas Martin Luther King would have been a moral idiot.
Morals are ultimately subjective so it’s very easy to dismiss a complex moral argument by simply reject the premise.
Imagine chess … but everyone get’s to modify the rules as they please. If chess was like that, there probably wouldn’t be any GM in it either.
There are, its just usually people don’t like to hear what they have to say.
“So, you’re a philosopher?”
“Yes. I think very deeplydeeply deeply”
Kant would like a word.
Did he make such great strides at young ages?
Being able to operate at expert level in one area of endeavor doesn’t guarantee that you will be at that same level in all things you do.
There aren’t any?
Got some stats on that, or are you just begging the question?
Edit: Maybe you mean to ask “why does it seem geniuses lack morals?”.
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