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I know a lot of people who work from home, none of them do so from bed.
When I initially became disabled, I tried to keep working desperately. I spent a couple of months working from bed before I had to give up.
Just an anecdote. Most people don’t actually work from bed.
I once worked from my bed while I had a mild cold. Had a meeting with many international colleagues from all over Europe. I fell asleep. Luckily I had my camera and mic off. And it was about interfacing with SAP which I needed no help with.
SAP meeting from bed. That’s truly hard-mode!
I did it on the sofa, was pretty much the same
My sister…
I read this article the other day and tried working from my bed but couldn’t do it for more than maybe 15 mins.
While slumping over a desk for 9 hours straight improves back health. Prevents 100% of cases of lumbago.
It’s not just that the old money dragons of commercial real estate are losing money, it’s also that middle management nothings need to exert their authority over you in person to feel relevant.
WFH makes every company money on decreased overhead. The war against it is 100% commercial property landlords that collect rent in the billions.
Fuck every single one of those fucking assholes. They are destroying our world to squeeze out just a little more.
I mean if our zoning wasn’t so overly strict, those real estate holders could cash in on enormous rent prices by transforming that commercial space into apartments.
Then there would be more housing supply, rents would go down, homelessness would improve, and those real estate holders would be able to get back to making profit, and there’d be less lying about the pros and cons of working from home.
All of it could be better, through the mechanism of consensual mutual profit that we call the free market. If only the government weren’t constantly enforcing largely arbitrary rules about how this block can house people but that block can only be for offices.
Keeping rendering plants away from preschools is fine. Arbitrarily telling people they can’t put beds and kitchens into a commercial space and let people live there is not.
There’s profit being lost AND people going homeless because there is a third party constantly preventing us from making the deals that mutually improve our lives.
And they’ve convinced you the real estate owners are the evil ones.
Unfortunately the building codes for office and residential buildings are very different and it’s damn near impossible to convert many offices into residences.
Perhaps it’s still more profitable than letting a building sit there un-used. The market should be allowed to try.
That’s okay, I’ll take a whole floor with no showers or kitchen for a cheap price.
It’s not hard, it’s just not profitable meaning they have to take a lost, you know, like everyone else who makes a bad investment.
It doesn’t matter what you’ll “take”. It’s illegal to live in a building that doesn’t meet code for residential units. Stuff like natural light as well as adequate plumbing and ventilation are important.
And they wouldn’t just be converting entire floors into single units. Those would be beyond luxury sizes. You think a 50 storey building can afford to become a 50-unit apartment? How is that going to solve our housing crisis? Don’t be dense.
For a conversion to work, they would need to be able to convert every floor of an office building into sufficiently dense housing. But office buildings are typically laid out with very deep footprints, where much of the internal layout of the building is far from any sources of natural light. Humans need access to natural light, which is why it’s not legal to sell a unit where the main rooms don’t all have windows. That can’t be fixed without tearing down the building and building something new.
It’s illegal to live in a building that doesn’t meet code for residential units.
Yes. The idea here is that relaxing those laws and allowing
Stuff like natural light as well as adequate plumbing and ventilation are important.
More important than having a roof over one’s head? A “free market” is when people make their own decisions about what’s important instead of the nanny state doing it for them.
And they wouldn’t just be converting entire floors into single units.
I guess if plumbing is an issue then you could get about as many units out of an office as bathrooms that the office floor could support.
Humans need access to natural light
Last time I stayed in a homeless shelter I had zero natural light. I was very, very happy to be inside, and nobody was forcing me to be there. I happily, eagerly, traded my natural light for shelter.
Free. Market. Adults making their own choices. Humans do not, in fact, need natural light. And the fact that some building code makes that claim, does not make it an aspect of reality.
Sitting at a desk for 8 hours a day is also bad for you so what’s the point. This bullshit propaganda is really starting to get old. Working from home is better for a lot of people. Corporation need to get over it.
I’m betting it’s better for more people as well. Eat healthier, take more breaks, move around more as well.
This has been 100% true for me. I started working from home at the beginning of the pandemic and haven’t gone back. I lost 45 pounds in the first year and have managed to keep it off since. It’s all because I can eat better by making my own meals at home.
Also less stressful environment.
This article isn’t about wfh vs office. It’s about not working in bed so you don’t disrupt your sleep.
It’s amazing how many people who see “propaganda” everywhere can’t see blatant spin when all of the evidence is right in front of them.
Propaganda is really getting dumber. The shit they make up looks like an accident of a bunch of clown cars.
People work from home in their bed? I’ve been doing this for a decade and a half now. I don’t think I’ve worked from my bed once. Now I have a dedicated office but when I didn’t I, you know, made a small surface my desk area and brought in a chair.
Regardless, it’s propaganda of a sort. For sure.
I was WFH for about a decade too. I didn’t work from my bed, but I sure as hell took meetings that I didn’t really need to be in, or was more of a passive participant in, from bed. Always close to my computer (on the same floor) so I could get back if I needed something, but those were the best useless meetings.
But I don’t get how this is propaganda. It’s not suggesting that people RTO, it’s saying they should not work in bed because it will hurt their sleep. The whole “RTO” part of this was spin put on it by the submitter. So, I guess, on second thought, maybe you are right.
But I don’t get how this is propaganda. It’s not suggesting that people RTO, it’s saying they should not work in bed because it will hurt their sleep. The whole “RTO” part of this was spin put on it by the submitter. So, I guess, on second thought, maybe you are right.
Why I think it probably is a form of propaganda, is purely because the headline says Working from home is causing it. If they didn’t want to front-load a negative view of WFH the headline would be “Working from bed unhealthy” or similar.
A fair, reasonable point.
My disagreement with it is that “bed rotting” is something being pushed in social media for people, including during WFH, so I’m not sure how easy it is to detach it from WFH.
But, again, I think you have a valid criticism. And considering the article is mainly about developing good sleep habits, I file the headline under “click bait” rather than part of some larger conspiracy between this local media station and big business to get people back into the office.
Yeah, even the subtitle clarifies things. So I’m not going to suggest the article is propaganda itself. But, they know what they’re doing when they put it in the main title. Maybe it’s just to grab attention. But, people that just read the title are going to walk away with a certain impression, I’d bet.
Working from bed rn.
It’s great.
If you ever start wondering why it’s hard to sleep, you might have your answer right here.
Same, about a decade for me too, and never worked from my bed once.
If I’m tinkering with something, I might sit on the sofa or lie in bed for half an hour, but no way would I work from bed. Sounds like a sore neck waiting to happen…
I do if I’m feeling under the weather. I have a bed that can be raised into a seated position so that’s nice. I prefer my desk when I’m doing more mentally intensive work though.
I have definitely answered work emails like that
I FREQUENTLY work from bed, specially at night when I’m watching both TV and some script I wrote do it’s thing. I made myself a custom headboard that is outrageously comfortable for working upright.
Better than office rotting
That is straight up not what bed rotting is. Bed rotting is when you’re so depressed you can’t bring yourself to get out of bed at all. Like, it’s a mental health condition, not lazyness.
Working from home is awesome, working from bed is not. And people wonder why they have trouble falling asleep…
you know who didn’t die in a car crash on the way to work this morning? People who WFH
As I said elsewhere, there is zero in this article about RTO. It’s all about getting out of bed to work so you develop good sleep habits. Y’all are getting played by the submitter so easily.
It’s the deep vein thrombosis that gets ya
Luckily i built a home office and gym with all the money I saved not paying for 2 hours of commuting, parking and getting lunch 260 days/year. I’ve never been in better shape mentally or physically!
I don’t have the space for a home gym, but I do use my money and time I save from my commute to pay for and use a gym subscription. Also easily the best shape physically and mentally I have ever been
fknlol - like people WFH are working from their bed. I can’t think of a more uncomfortable location for my to do my job from. Except the office five days a week of course…
That’s bad for the laptop tho. Get one of those little bed tables.
It’s a Mac Book. Getting hot enough to fry an egg is a feature.
Only on the old Intel models.
New m3 doesn’t
Cool. You know what I got from sitting in a cheap office chair all day at work?
Hemorrhoids.
I’ll take “bed rot.”
Uhhhh I think you might want to look into your diet. Chairs don’t give hemorrhoids. A bad diet will tho.
You’re wrong about chairs. You’re right about a bad diet, but sitting for 10+ hours a day will cause or exacerbate haemorrhoids. One of many sources available on the internet: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hemorrhoids/symptoms-causes/syc-20360268
Yeah, okay. The bleeding started when I started working there and stopped when I sat on a hemorrhoid pillow. Must have been my diet.
Sounds like you were doing it wrong.
You’re not supposed to thrust the chair into your asshole.
Your rules and my desires do not align
TIL
I’m impressed at how much time you spend on lemmy, and how little you spend actually reading any of the articles you get outraged over.
There is absolutely zero in this article about RTO. It’s all about not working in your bed as that can develop poor sleep habits. It’s all about acting in a way so you get good sleep. Why anyone would get outraged over this or turn this into part of some grand conspiracy between the media and big business to get people back into the office is beyond me.
Clearly this is what the submitter is attempting to imply. Don’t be so easily played.
Cool. I didn’t want to read a page full of spammy bullshit, as OP suggested. Sorry that wasn’t okay with you.
You are too easily played. Think for yourself, instead of letting some lemmy poster manipulate you so easily into being outraged with blatantly misrepresentative titles to articles. If you don’t want to read “spammy bullshit” then just don’t read it, but then I suggest you also don’t get outraged over it because the OP is telling you to be outraged. It doesn’t matter if I’m okay with this, you shouldn’t be.
What makes you think I was outraged?
What this comes down to is that got played by the OP. It’s more important that you take away from this is that you should think for yourself, rather than try to nit-pick over whether you were actually outraged.
I am sure you have never been tricked in your life, but just because I do get tricked on occasion does not mean I am unable to think for myself. It means I’m not perfect and I’m not smart, two things I have never claimed or pretended to be. And if you think being imperfect and not smart means you are unable to think for yourself, you must not think very highly of your species’ ability to do so. Based on random internet encounters too.
Anyway, it was an unwarranted insult. I get that you’re better than me, you’ve made that clear, I won’t argue with you. Can we move on?
I am sure you have never been tricked in your life
No, I absolutely have. I’ve even been tricked by misleading headlines of articles. What I took away from this, after it happened, was that I should RTFA before responding. Still, sometimes, I don’t, but usually those responses will just be jokes.
on occasion does not mean I am unable to think for myself.
I hate to break it to you, but I spend too much time on lemmy too, and I see your posts all the time. Quite regularly your comments are in response to some false assumption about the article, that clearly came from the headline. It seems to happen far more than “on occasion.” Slow down. You don’t need to come to an opinion in a flash. Hell, you don’t even need to come to an opinion about it at all. If you don’t want to take the time to read the article, then that should also indicate to you that you shouldn’t rush to an opinion and then take the time to comment on that opinion.
In contrast to office rotting?
In contrast to Living Room Thriving. Just use the whole house you paid for.
It’s not a condition.
It’s a word someone made up to shame people into going against their best interests.
You think developing good sleep habits by only using your bed for sleep and intimacy is against your best interests?
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Are you actually arguing that the article is not about good sleep habits? Did you even read it? Or did you just simply believe the spin by the submitter?
The funny thing is that the RTO part of the headline is editorialization added solely by the person submitting it. If anyone is falling for propaganda here, it’s you. You’re the one being played by spin meant to push an agenda.
Why is it that the people who believe there is some massive conspiracy, that they believe they see through, are the ones so easily led around like sheep?
I feel like getting bed sores and having muscles atrophy is more of the worry than anything else and it’s weird these aren’t even concerns brought up.
