I can’t really think of a reason for that as Reddit is hated somewhat equally by “both” sides of the spectrum. It’s just something I find interesting.
Not really meaning for this to sound as arrogant as it’s going to, but… Lemmy is almost entirely populated by nerds so far.
Nerds tend to be open to tech, maybe a little smarter overall. You know? You can tell by the grammar, the spelling. It’s a different group here.
Reality is left leaning, and the stupider someone is, in general, the more likely they are to lean right politically. The rest of the right are the really rich, who tend to be up the psychological spectrum toward sociopathic, so of course they would have no time for caring for others’ needs.
There’s been tons of right-leaning Reddit alternatives before, but they always quickly devolved into Nazi spaces.
Lemmy was the first one that I’m aware of, which told Nazis to fuck off right from the beginning.
progression tends not to be conservative
Lemmy is much less US-centric than Reddit.
Reality has a well known left leaning bias.
Conservatives and their politics do not have equal status. In this climate, “both sides” is toxic and suggest each is equally supported and viable. They are not. The right is an incredibly hateful minority end should be treated as such.
I’d say it’s mainstream media-type liberal bias. Inclusive aesthetically, and occasionally sincerely too, but mostly shit.
“It’s not my fault if reality is Marxist” -Che Guevara
Wow. Way to paint everyone with a different thought process the same. Very human of you.
Now you’ve convinced me! I really ought to have been the bigger man when my mom called me in the middle of the night to tell me that Trump’s a martyr like Jesus and that the Democrats are performing demonic baby-eating rituals inside underground tunnels, and just let her keep screaming about me being a brainwashed woke communist because we just have little differences and we all need to get along.
Haha, nope. I want scorched earth on every one of those conspiracy nut fuckers holding right-wing parties around the balls, since they went after my family with their brainrot. I don’t give a shit that a handful of people exist who don’t explicitly support Jewish Space Laser Marge or Venmo Bribes Clarence, because y’all still vote lock step to keep these crazy loons around because Roe v. Wade is worth killing for $300 extra on next year’s tax return.
Is it miserable?
Having your entire identity based on a political team?
Constantly being angry and thinking the worst about your peers?
Because it SOUNDS miserable.
Probably not as miserable as it is to have to spend all your energy pretending to not see how your political ideas have fully doomed humanity to drive itself extinct
my mom called me in the middle of the night to tell me that Trump’s a martyr
Gonna have to take any political and moral position you have with a grain of salt, since crazy runs in the family
That doesn’t make sense and you know it. It’s stupid and vindictive.
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Let’s also not forget that the hate is justified and amplified by their religion.
well the right thinks anything that makes you not exactly like them is a crime. Including thinking and having different opinions and ideas. Therefore they do adhere?
I think you might be leaning towards the paradox of intolerance and the recent solution for it which has become very popular.
A tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance.
This philosophical concept seems paradoxical but actually it’s been solved via another philosophical concept. The social contract. Hate speech in almost every instance violates the social contract thus putting those who engage in it in violation of the social contract. It is not being intolerant at that juncture to remove that person from society. It is not intolerance but a violation of contractual obligation.
And funnily enough, these bigots nearly always hail from “the land of the free”. Where “free” apparently only applies to their own ability to freely attack others and try restrict their freedom.
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Did someone say agree with me or you’re racist? I didn’t see that anywhere. All I saw was calling a goose a goose, or in this case, a fascist party fascists.
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Someone saying that right-wingers are hateful bigots is now somehow the same as declaring trans people universally pedophiles, refusing them medical treatment, and openly advocating for their extermination.
Yes, the conservatives in the “west” have started calling for a cleansing of Trans people out of society, but I guess Holocaust 2 electric boogaloo (and yes I am very consciously using that because the Turfs are now openly working together with Neo-Nazis to the aims of removing the “evil manipulative group trying to destroy our culture/race/sexual orientation”) is equivalent to someone saying bad words bad that conservative group…
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DAE BOTH SIDES AMIRITE
Mirros don’t work where he lives.
Oh no not your hurt feelings!!! What’re you gonna do? Kill some more women and gay people about it?
This actually makes a lot of sense. A lot of people are using Lemmy either because they prefer federated web platforms to centralized, which makes it antithetical to corporate interests, or because they’re opposed to Reddit’s API policy, which was a blatant move to squeeze more money out of their users. Either way, Lemmy’s appeal is very anti-capitalist, and since opposition to capitalism is a generally left-wing philosophy, I can totally see why most Lemmy users would be left-wing.
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I think you’ll find a lot more leftists interested in platforms that are not powered solely by money and profit. Lemmy, much like Mastodon and other federated platforms, only need instances to run to be usable. It doesn’t require millions of dollars to keep it afloat.
Generally speaking centrist and right wingers, especially in Western countries, tend to be very capitalist. They only understand the value in terms of money.
But I think this is a bit of a biased comment. Many right wingers went on to fringe corners of the internet, Places like voat, 8chan, Trump’s twitter (what’s it called?)… Basically all the places where QAnon festered. They believe that mainstream social media is censoring right-wing ideas. I don’t really see them favor platforms that are “capitalist”.
they were looking for unmoderated corners, not for places not powered by money and profit. Which I find orthogonal to the comment from OP. That there’s some overlap on the end result doesn’t mean OP was biased at all.
You hit the nail on the head there. There are lots of reasons to seek out a less corporate, less mainstream online community. No need to invoke any horseshoe theories.
So far I see very little evidence of QAnon type ratholes here, probably in no small part because the platform doesn’t really seem conducive to paranoid echo chamber type activity.
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"I’ve noticed that lemmy as a whole has much more moral, empathetic individuals than reddit (outside of political servers of course)
21st century politics in a nutshell, lmao
Maybe because on reddit you have an absolute fuck ton of right wing propaganda bots.
Anti-corporate platforms don’t generally appeal to people that built and uphold the existing corporate status quo.
The first wave here were anticapitalists, anarchists or communists. The second wave are the most anti-corporate “liberals”.
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I absolutely agree. I also think the irritating environment created by the current digital red scare trend will eventually subside once they move onto some new scare words because the existing ones are losing their edge.
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Can you define a liberal for me? I usually call myself a progressive, but from my limited understanding I know liberals are generally pro-capitalists that usually posture morality to uphold capitalism.
And then does ‘neo-’ in front of lib or con just mean they colonize developing countries with banks instead of armies?
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That’s just exporting the sharecropping/company town era economics beyond the media horizon.
The IMF/World Bank vs Private Capital (vs China ) to fund infrastructure is the other angle.
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Probably because this migration may be related to the anti-corpo sentiment, which is more common in leftist circles
reddit had given into the “work the refs” strategy of the American right wing. That artificially elevated the voices of the right and suppressed the voices of the left. It’s actually the case when you look at surveys and voting behaviors that right wing ideas are abysmally unpopular.
So when we’re on an actually free platform that doesn’t have an “engagement” based algorithm driving anger and division, with no one putting their thumb on the scale (or people who try getting defederated), “leftist” ideas come up.
The confusion reflected in the OP is the obvious outcome of the post Fairness Doctrine “both sides” media landscape. There really aren’t as many right wing people as left wing. We are legion.
Reddit has banned most right wing subs and clearly has a pro left bias from the top. The userbase was more right wing before most right wing users were pushed off the platform.
They didn’t exist before the 2016 election. They were mostly astroturf. The original Donald sub was entirely bashing him and intentionally killed off.
They very much existed and were active. The donald wasn’t the first or the only one.
Cite your sources.
That artificially elevated the voices of the right and suppressed the voices of the left.
How? Reddit is mostly left wing apart from a few remaining right wing subs
I’m pretty sure reddit is fairly nuteral but it could be considered left leaning
Lol they’ll keep literal Nazi subs up but will ban communist subs. “could be considered left leaning” pffffft.
Conservatives also adopt new technology less willingly and more slowly. Which is to their credit, I think. I like having people who move slower and less willingly.
Nevertheless, political alignment and technological adoption are generally correlated. And it is a new platform. It’s not like taking up smart phones, but it’s a change, and those that are reticent to change do it more slowly.
That’s just not true in the slightest, reddit mod and admin actions clearly support a left-wing slant and ban accordingly. Most subs removed over the past few years have overwhelmingly been on the far right side of things. Admins regularly ban people for transphobia. How are you seeing otherwise?
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With America’s public school system? (sabotaged by the right, of course) Not a chance.
Lemmy is exactly as left leaning as Reddit was before the wave of propaganda and bots emboldened the right wing crazies to think they were the majority or welcome. I remember the falsely inflated upvotes that made those morons think they were the “silent majority”.
Left and right are two stupid categories built up by propaganda, get them out of your head and start to think on your own terms
The main thing I don’t like about these categories is how they try to lump both moral and political issues into one group as either right or left. They’re two different things. Societies do legislate morality, but as far as defining a person’s overall views I think it’s a poor metric. Personally I have some left views politically, but some right views morally.
I think it can be expected people participating in the Fediverse are somewhat anti-capitalist. We come here to get away from corporate driven media. That being the case I think it’s not erroneous to say Lemmy is more left politically and I appreciate that. However that does not mean I agree with all left views. There are some moral issues I may not agree with, but I don’t engage since I’m not interested in debating morality in these forums.
Finally words of wisdom. The rest of the comment section is a dumpster fire.
Amen. I wish more people would do this.
This. There an infinite number of ideologies that you could have, but our first past the post voting system (in the US) only allows for two candidates, so an infinite spectrum gets funneled into two camps.
Left/right isn’t an exclusively American concept, it is used all over the world regardless of the political system of the country.
I think that’s what they’re saying: in most of the world it’s used as a gradient/spectrum, just a few countries consider it absolutes (you’re either left or right).
Yeah, that’s why I specified US, there are plenty of places where it’s more of a gradiant, or where left and right are just two of many options. although unfortunately fptp is the norm in most of the world. The US is unusually polarized even among fptp countries, but countries that have better voting systems that allow for more than two parties are the exception, not the norm.
countries that have better voting systems that allow for more than two parties are the exception, not the norm.
Are you sure about that? I have no numbers to back it up, but at least here in Europe many countries have more than two parties to choose from, and the winning parties form a governing coalition (alliance).
Unless by beter voting system you mean something like Ranked voting etc, in which case I agree, that is unfortunately very rare.
Nah, it’s a fairly good way to differentiate between collectivist and individualistic ideas.
It’s a whopping two sides of a scale, which doesn’t unambiguously refer to “individualism” or “collectivism”, also referring vaguely to associations with dozens of other issues. So it’s actually a worse way of describing those ideas than saying “individualist” or “collectivist”, because you’re no longer even specifically saying that. And “individualist” vs. “collectivist” is already a terrible way to categorize all political ideas. What does abortion have to do with collectivism? How about zoning laws, or environmental protection?
This is the issue…left vs. right has nothing to do with any one issue, in fact it actually serves completely to distract people from the specifics of issues, because instead of actually figuring out the nuance of something, people fall back on their group identity and go, “well if the leftists hate it, then it must be good, because fuck the left!”
Environmental protection is collectivist. It’s what is best for everyone. (Including future generations).
But abortion is a good exception.
But what’s best for every individual is what’s best for everyone…
It’s pretty meaningfully different when one side wants to fix the climate and create social and economic policy that benefits the majority, while the other wants to concentrate wealth into the hands of the few at the expense of everyone else, and the climate, and is creating propaganda aimed at the dehumanization of LGBTQ+ and perceived-non-Americans (even when they’re citizens).
Any party that label themself as left or right is applying the same politics that benefits those in power and lie about it to the public.
It think it’s more that, like with everything to do with Politics, the words have been repeatedly redefined by people who wanted to obtain the support of pre-existing tribalists emotionally bound to one or the other as “tribe” markers, and what is now said to be Left and Right is the product of a lot of such manipulation.
As I see it there is definitelly a range between the pure selfish “I do what’s best for me and fuck everybody else” thinking and acting and the entirelly selfless “think of everybody else” one and somewhere in between sits a vague border one side of which can be thought of “left” and the other “right”.
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Sure, I’ll just make up my own political philosophy outta nothing, without the benefit of other’s experience, and then use it to classify and understand all the political thought I encounter which has not been informed by my pet philosophy, that’ll go GREAT
I’m not gonna start using niche political terms on a daily basis. Yes, I know that Democrats and Republicans are basically the same but nobody outside a small group of people cares. See that I put both in quotation marks as well.
I couldn’t help but notice the lack of “quotation marks”
to be fair, you wouldn’t say that Democrats or republicans are the same if you happen to be part of the groups the Republicans are currently advocating death for. There is a difference between NeoLiberal shill and “America should be a white ethnostate”
Wait, is “advocating death for” the evolution of “right to exist”? That sure escalated quickly.
I mean, sure one could argue that the Rights attacks on trans and LGBTQ people, calling them all pedophiles that need to be exterminated can be seen as a “right to exist” argument, in the same way that “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” can be seen as a “right to exist” statement…
Very nuanced take, I like it.
