• @ranoss@lemmy.world
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    5711 months ago

    Kind of highlights fallout 4s biggest story frustration, for me anyway.

    Even on my first playthrough I never felt tied to the prewar life or the family from it. I think 3 did a better job showing us why we should care about our dad and finding him that was absent in 4. After waking up and getting your bearings it was super weird going on tons of side quests and then in dialogue being so serious about finding your kid. I really enjoy fallout 4 but the kid aspect never has clicked for me.

    • @DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world
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      1411 months ago

      FO4 has such a sudden start when you think about it. The game starts and the bombs almost immediately start falling and your spouse dies and son taken within like the first 10 minutes of the game.

      Would have been cool if you started in the war wearing power armor, then came home to your family after facing the horrors of war, made your face, adapt back to normal life and get to know family and neighbors over a couple of time skips, then the bombs happen in the middle of one of those events. Grow some attachment like FO3 did.

      • credit crazy
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        811 months ago

        Ngl I kinda wish fo4 did more with the pre war aspect. Like I’ll admit I’m a sucker for 50s ascetic but I kinda want a fall out game to take place pre war. Fo4 and fo3s anchorage dlc are the best glimpses into pre war life. Like imagine if we got the opportunity to drive around with one of those pre war cars.

    • @CryptidBestiary@lemmy.world
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      1311 months ago

      Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. I would go further and say that 3 did a better job with the overall story. 4’s gameplay is what kept me playing but I found the whole story just lacking in any nuance. It was more bland than 3’s even though it’s basically a rehash of it. Once the wonders of exploration have settled, I just felt like there was no point in doing another playthrough since it all boiled down to picking from two real factions that lead to the same ending. They really stripped the role playing aspect from their supposed action RPG

      • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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        1711 months ago

        Bethesda have been on a downward spiral of main quest quality since Oblivion (possibly morrowind, never played it to say for sure).

        Fallout 3 is just utterly forgettable as a game, both from a story perspective and a sandbox perspective.

        Skyrim and Fallout 4s main quests are absolute garbage, and would ruin the games completely if they were not just big beautiful sandboxes to play in, with ripe and fertile ground for brilliant modding to take place in.

        also I thought your name was CryptidBestiality at a glance, lol.

      • @ranoss@lemmy.world
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        411 months ago

        They really did step up the gameplay.

        Mods are what have made the replays for me. I’m on pc and doing a sim settlements 2 play-through after they just put out chapter 3.

        That’s been a more compelling main storyline for me. Fully voiced with cut scenes and everything.

    • nifty
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      511 months ago

      There’s been a whole slew of games (old and new) pushing a child sidekick or helper character, like Yakuza 6, God of War, Last of Us etc. All well loved and successful games by any measure, but the whole “here’s this kid you have to care about” thing doesn’t work for me either.

    • @webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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      411 months ago

      This is why i never finished 4, the main chest ruined an otherwise very entertain-able way, i was about become a dad, am now. The player character made no sense to me and i felt like the game was forcing me trough the main quest line before i was supposed to do anything else.

    • @crackajack@reddthat.com
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      111 months ago

      That’s because FO4 isn’t made by Obsidian. I’m glad to hear the rumour that they might make Fallout New Vegas 2!

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
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    3211 months ago

    Force Shaun to use his crib again when you finally find him.

    “Time for bed, Shaun.”

    “For god’s sake, dad, I’m a grown man! Physiologically, I’m older than you are!”

    “Don’t make me spank you.”

  • @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    I hate how crafting systems work in most games…

    What I want: meaningful decisions about how to customize my character’s equipment.

    What I get: clicking all over the place like it’s a 90’s adventure game to collect pieces of shit so that I can put together a giant turd.

    • Ephera
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      311 months ago

      There used to be the genre of collect-'em-ups, where the thinly-veiled end goal was to just collect various items.
      For example, to complete a level in Banjo-Kazooie, you had to collect 10 puzzle pieces and 100 musical notes, and you likely gathered lots more bonus collectibles along the way.

      These were essentially just numbers going up. But we do all have that gatherer instinct in us, so if you can get past the meaninglessness, it’s just one of the easiest sources of endorphins.

      And I feel like modern crafting systems evolved out of that. While you still can’t think too hard about it, they are providing meaning, in that you’re now collecting 100 wood planks, because you want to craft a house.

      The unfortunate side effect is that they are now part of the soup which is pretty much mandatory to include in big budget games.
      Indies are perfectly capable of fleshing out individual endorphin sources these days, so AAA games need to outdo them by having multiple. And the whole collect+craft loop is an endorphin source that can be added relatively easily to many game concepts, especially if you’re also buying into the mandatory open world.

      So, I guess, the moral of the story is: AAA bad, indies good.

      But like, for real. AAA won’t stop using the collect+craft loop, unless we have another massive technology jump where their big budget becomes useful again (like with 2D -> 3D, back in the days).
      So, if you’re tired of it, you do want to look into smaller budget games or, I guess, some of the few remaining niche AAA titles…

  • ArxCyberwolf
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    2311 months ago

    The whole neighbourhood of Sanctuary isn’t safe from my character’s hands. Every house, tree, twig, car, must be reduced to parts.

    • Apathy Tree
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      411 months ago

      I haven’t played fallout, so idk how far off this is going to be, but if you like scrapping everything around you to make other stuff, have you tried dysmantle?

      That’s basically the game - explore, destroy stuff in the environment (including nearly everything, except some buildings/structures are unbreakable because they are quest spots), use the materials to make better stuff so you can explore and destroy better. Increase the damage your weapons do to break more stuff. Etc.

      There’s also zombies, but that’s sort of a minor part of the game imho (you get stuff for killing them that you need to level up gear, though, so not totally pointless).

      I put about 100 hours into it to do everything except the zombie respawn thing because it’s too tedious (involves killing all enemies, in all areas, 4 times total, there are 16 areas, and some of them have 100-150 zombies in the zone. No thanks. But you don’t really get anything for doing that anyway except the knowledge that you did it.)

        • Apathy Tree
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          311 months ago

          The core game is also included in ps+ (top two tiers with access to game library) for download or streaming.

  • @frickineh@lemmy.world
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    2211 months ago

    It might have been kind of sad the first playthrough, but then you find out Shaun grew up to kind of suck and scrapping all his shit is totally fine on replays. Byeee crib. Bye mobile and toys and whole entire house. I need to make myself a sick penthouse and some turrets.

  • FireWire400
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    11 months ago

    Two of the worst things about Fallout 4 IMO: the stupid “finding son” story and the tacked-on crafting system

    • Dr. Bluefall
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      811 months ago

      Honestly, investigating The Institute would’ve been interesting in and of itself. Untangling this rumor which turns out to be a sci-fi conspiracy.

      • Rose Thorne(She/Her)
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        311 months ago

        Hell, they could have tied that into the pre-war backstory even better. A small glimmer of hope of turning the wasteland around, harnessing everything they have done to help fix things. A chance at having your old life back, in some capacity.

        They don’t even have to take out the dead spouse/missing kid plotline. Wake up after the last of the systems fail, oh shit, your wife/husband died during all this and your kids gone. Now you’re out in this new world, holding on to a pair of wedding bands as the last piece of your old happier life, lost, confused, and trying to find your way.

        There’s still that element of “What happened while I was on ice? Is he still out there?”, could even still tie in to the Institute plot, without making the entire story ride on a rather unfulfilling reveal.

        Of course, that would also work better if we could have an actual moment of “Even if Shaun is alive, would he remember me?”. Actually let the character deal with the fact that their child might very well be dead, or that they wouldn’t remember. That they would find an absolute stranger, one who’s been raised in this world, one who isn’t so caught up in “mother” or “father”.