Summary

Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation, though some fear it could embolden Israeli actions.

Trump’s support for Israel’s far-right policies, including the potential dismantling of the UN agency Unrwa and backing of Israeli settlements, could deepen economic hardship and escalate violence against Palestinians.

While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

      • Flying SquidM
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        5618 days ago

        The DNC didn’t make anyone see a man who promised to be a dictator, who quoted Hitler, who said immigrants were poisoning the blood of our country, who promised 1500% tariffs, who chose Vance as a running mate and who shows very clear signs of significant cognitive decline and say, “I’m not going to stop that guy from getting into office.”

        There is not a single reason that an American voter can give me that would justify not voting for Harris and allowing this to happen.

        I don’t care how much you didn’t like Harris. Trump is worse in every possible way.

        But enjoy this gloating time now. You won’t be gloating in four years when there’s going to be a Putin-style election.

        • JaggedRobotPubes
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          1718 days ago

          The is the correct energy, and exactly the correct thing to say. Thanks for saying it. Now I can type this shorter message instead!

          • Flying SquidM
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            1118 days ago

            You’re welcome. The numbness is wearing off and the anger is setting in.

        • @LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          18 days ago

          All very true.

          I do think it’s worth mentioning that the “lesser evil” politics that she ran on has never worked for anyone, not even once? She aligned herself with several popular conservatives positions (deportation, stronger border policy, continued financial and armaments support to Israel). But conservatives had no reason to vote for her over Trump. This swath of voters who wanted what she offered does not exist. The ones who want those things want other things too, things that Trump offers them.

          So her best position was being the lesser of two evils, being better than Trump but still not a progressive candidate. That political angle failed the DNC in 2016, and it failed them again. This is entirely the failure of the DNC to be a progressive party. They chose neoliberal conservatism to the bitter end and threw us all under the bus with it.

          The number of leftists and muslisms who didn’t vote for Harris on principal is far lower than any amount that would have saved her. She resoundingly lost this election in every possible way. Blaming people who didn’t vote for her on principal is ridiculously misunderstanding what happened here. The majority of America is okay with bigotry. The majority is fine with violence against women and minorities. Either that or they have constructed conspiracies that Trump hasn’t actually said or done those things. Either way, they are unbothered by the things he has said and done.

        • switchboard_pete
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          718 days ago

          being angry at voters who didn’t vote the way you wanted them to isn’t going to actually achieve anything, though

          harris didn’t even win the popular vote. it wasn’t even a particularly close election. you can’t not blame the dnc after a defeat like this.

          • @JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz
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            1618 days ago

            I can and I will. If voters are ok with fascism, fuck them. And if women are ok with being considered objects to own, fuck them too. This “I didn’t feel energised to go vote” bullshit is just bullshit to avoid take responsibility. You had a choice: fascism or not. You chose fascism.

          • Flying SquidM
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            1218 days ago

            What do you think is achievable at this point? America is going to turn into a fascist dictatorship and lots of voters did not give enough of a shit to stop it.

            You want to tell me being angry at voters achieves nothing? Neither does blaming the DNC. American democracy is over.

              • Flying SquidM
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                518 days ago

                I don’t understand why you think that’s what I believe. Criticize it all you want. It won’t change a thing. The DNC is a non-factor from now on because there will be no more actual elections.

            • Captain Aggravated
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              017 days ago

              What do you think the election of 2028 was going to look like after Kamala’s term?

              How many "possibly the last ever election"s were the Democrats planning to win in a row? There didn’t seem to be any intention to back away from that precipice.

              • Flying SquidM
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                117 days ago

                What do you think the election of 2028 was going to look like after Kamala’s term?

                I don’t know. But I can tell you what it wouldn’t look like: the last election in Russia.

                It will now.

                Enjoy.

            • switchboard_pete
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              if you honestly believe that’s the future of the us, you should probably leave the country

              you should probably have been planning to leave the country for the last three months, since the election never went more than 60% in harris’ favor

              • Flying SquidM
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                1718 days ago

                I am leaving the country.

                I didn’t trust people like you to keep my queer daughter safe because I knew there was only one genocide that mattered to you when it came to voting.

                I’m a dual citizen with the UK where the current government is going to ban conversion therapy, there’s socialized medicine and there is no one saying they’ll be a dictator.

                And no, I don’t care what you have to say about how bad the UK is, they’re not going to march my daughter into a conversion camp. If I could take every queer person with me, I could. America is not safe for them anymore.

                • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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                  017 days ago

                  TERF Island isn’t much better. You’ll probably have to fight there, too. Once they’re done with fighting trans people, they’ll go back to fighting other LGBTQ people, it happens every time. But I get wanting to leave the US. I’ve been considering it, too. You got to do what’s best for your family.

          • @SkyNTP@lemmy.ml
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            18 days ago

            In a democracy, the correct approach is to hold the majority accountable for their leader’s actions, especially when the leader is doing exactly what they said they would do. Non voters are also complicit by standing by silently, so I’m not opposed to holding them accountable too.

          • @atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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            617 days ago

            If you’re voting on lunch and the choices are between an anchovy pizza and a shit sandwich, and your coworkers choose the shit sandwich, do you blame the people who told you to vote for the anchovy?

        • @orclev@lemmy.world
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          717 days ago

          While everything you said is true the DNC is also equally to blame. For better or worse FPTP means we only have two parties, which means there’s an onus on them to appeal to as many voters as they can (to do anything less is to guarantee their loss). The DNC for decades now has followed a policy of appealing not to the general public, but to a wealthy subset in order to maximize their own bribes campaign contributions. That has seen a steady rightward shift of their economic (and to a lesser extent social) policies. This rightward shift naturally alienates a large block of those that would otherwise support them. After all if you’re a supporter of right wing policies you would already be a Republican, thus if you aren’t it’s because you’re looking for left wing policies. Something the Democrats increasingly do not have.

          There are three possible outcomes for each potential voter. You can vote Republican. You can vote Democrat. Or you can not vote (or vote 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way). Because voting isn’t mandatory, the default state is not voting. Republicans have spent the last couple decades erecting roadblocks to voting, passing ID laws, closing polling places to increase lines, encouraging their followers to harass voters, purging voter rolls at the last minute, etc.

          All that means that it takes actual effort to go out and vote. For an increasingly exhausted public, that is struggling just to survive day to day, that might have to take a precious day off from work to stand in an uncomfortable line for hours at a time while being menaced by unhinged MAGA, they need a strong encouragement to put up with all that.

          From a purely logical standpoint the threat posed by Trump and MAGA should be sufficient motivation. But people are not always or even often logical. Republicans have spent decades fine tuning their propaganda. They’ve weaponized AM radio, and talking head “news” shows like Hannity, to convince their voters that Democrats are perpetually moments away from rounding them all up and having them executed. That’s the reason Republicans always show up to vote, no matter how onerous the process becomes.

          Democrats in contrast have been hesitant to call a spade a spade. They should have been blaring the threat posed by Trump from day one of his campaign in the most explicit language possible. Every opportunity should have been taken to replay highlights of every unhinged statement Trump made to highlight exactly how dangerous he was. Instead they use euphemisms, saying things like “extremists” rather than terrorists, or “Insurrection” instead of attempted coup.

          Added to all of that is dissatisfaction with Democrats policies right when they needed to be doing everything they could to convince people that if they just got off their asses and voted things would significantly improve for them.

          So yes, this is very much a failure of Democrats. The party failed not just themselves but the American public. Unfortunately now everyone pays the price for that, not just the apathetic voters that sat out, but even those of us that did the sane logical thing and voted for the lesser evil.

          • sepi
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            -217 days ago

            This is you: “look what the DNC MADE ME DO!”

            • @orclev@lemmy.world
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              417 days ago

              What? Vote for them? Be incredibly pissed they threw the election and now our democracy is fucked? Yeah.

        • @small44@lemmy.world
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          -418 days ago

          Even if all third party voters voted to Harris she would still lose. So the hell are you talking about? What I don’t understand is how American can still vote to the same goddamn two parties

          • Flying SquidM
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            1018 days ago

            Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn’t vote at all.

            • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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              You can’t just assume everyone who didn’t vote is a leftist or did it for Palestine. That’s kinda crazy, and you have no proof of that. You’re just assuming that so you have an excuse to get mad at people who don’t deserve it instead of your precious DNC. More realistically, they’re just non-political people who don’t do research, didn’t care, and weren’t charged enough to go vote by the Dems message and rhetoric, and did they probably have a short as hell memory because they weren’t scared enough of Trump (maybe because he was a known quantity or something). Those people googling if Biden dropped out the night of the election or had no idea RFK dropped out? They’re probably more like them.

            • @small44@lemmy.world
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              -117 days ago

              You said that you can’t understand how some people is not voting to Harris. So that include 3rd party voters

              • Flying SquidM
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                317 days ago

                Please quote where I mentioned third party voters. Because that was not the only way people let Trump win. Plenty of them didn’t vote at all.

                For fuck’s sake, people are either putting words in my mouth or not reading what I write.

      • @maplebar@lemmy.world
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        Ah the DNC, the classic boogieman of the geniuses who decide not to vote when a criminal who loves Hitler is running for office after already having tried overturning democracy once. Yes it’s the DNC’s fault you couldn’t be bothered to lift a fucking pen against fascism.

  • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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    4118 days ago

    No no, I was told repeatedly that Trump would be no worse than Harris. Clearly the Palestinians on the ground are wrong somehow.

  • @CptEnder@lemmy.world
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    1617 days ago

    Man we’re gonna have to open like dozens of new zoos for all the leopards absolutely feasting on people’s faces. When Trump warp speeds the deletion of Gaza, you get what you fucking deserve.

    • @paddirn@lemmy.world
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      1217 days ago

      Wait… you’re not suggesting that voting for the lesser of two evils would’ve somehow helped the Palestinians somehow (or at least lessened the negative impacts)? Everyone knows that you either get everything you want or you just let the worst possible result happen, there is no middle ground.

    • @Gsus4@mander.xyz
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      17 days ago

      And throws anyone caught in public with a palestinian flag in jail…they really showed it to genocide Joe.

    • @b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      017 days ago

      People standing up for Palestine didn’t vote for fucking Trump. They mostly begrudgingly voted for Harris.

      I’m not going to cast judgement on actual Palestinians who had their entire bloodlines erased by the Biden / Harris administration not being able to stomach voting for Harris.

      Regardless, they weren’t a big enough voting block to sway the election.

      The blame lies more with the DNC, Republicans, Trump. Hell 55% of Latino men voted for Trump.

      Why couldn’t Biden / Harris do the bare minimum to stop sending countless bombs and weapons to Israel for an entire year of non-stop genocide? Are they completely guilt free in your mind?

      Even if some Arab Americans couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Harris, they were not actively voting for Trump.

      Palestinians have never done anything wrong except try to exist on their native land while undergoing decades of genocide while the world remained largely silent.

      “You get what you fucking deserve.”

      Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds. Don’t pretend you were ever on the left or ever stood against the genocide if that’s your attitude. You’re just trying to make it easy on yourself for not actually standing for anything and you’re just as guilty as those genocidal maniacs.

  • HubertManne
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    I can see how it can’t get much worse but it can go on for far longer than it otherwise would. Tell me again what the us recognizes as the capital of israel?

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    517 days ago

    Love this comments section in denial because they refused to read past the title in both the post and article that clearly states most Palestinians don’t expect a difference.

    The Palestinians in the biggest city on the West Bank seem to have already come to a provisional consensus: that the US election result has no real impact here because things could not possibly be worse.

    The recently fired Israeli defense minister was allegedly claiming all the military objectives in Gaza were achieved, and that there’s no need for ignoring a hostage deal.

    So I’m really failing to see how this isn’t already rock bottom.

    13 straight months of giving Israel a free pass, Trump literally can’t improve the maxed out arm sales even if he tried.

    And I can bet you my life saving Biden will do jack shit to stop Israel in his remaining 3 months even though he has nothing to lose.

  • @small44@lemmy.world
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    518 days ago

    I hate those type of article talking to 4 or 5 person than generalize it to the whole population. Palestinians are not a monolotic entity with only one opinion

  • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    517 days ago

    Palestinians in the West Bank are largely pessimistic about Donald Trump’s re-election, viewing it as unlikely to significantly worsen their already dire situation

    Surely they meant “likely”?

  • @JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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    117 days ago

    I’m betting trump puts his fingers in his ears, tells netanyahu to get it over as fast as possible, then surveys his victory with a look of triumph on his face.

    That or bibi throws everything at Gaza these next 3 months so the next administration can blame it on Biden.

  • @boyi@lemmy.sdf.org
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    117 days ago

    While some Palestinians worry about increased oppression, others see a Trump presidency as a chance to expose brutal realities, possibly sparking stronger resistance.

    This is most probably what will happen. Things will worsen but people will realize more of the double standard and the hard realities suffered by the Palestinians.

    On the bright sight, public opinions on genocidal Israel will hardened and this will shape more restrictive and drastic international policies on Israel in the future. When that time comes, even Israel’s most powerful allies have to carefully manoeuvre in order to help them.

    • Flying SquidM
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      5618 days ago

      WE ALL OPPOSED THE FUCKING GENOCIDE.

      That doesn’t mean we wanted to invite in ADDITIONAL GENOCIDES IN THE U.S.

      Jesus Christ, I am so tired of seeing people make excuses for not voting to stop someone who you have been given warning sign after warning sign about because you don’t like Kamala Harris.

      • Nougat
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        It also means that we didn’t want to make the one genocide they’re always on about even worse.

        • Flying SquidM
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          3018 days ago

          Seriously. “Harris is supporting genocide by being part of an administration selling weapons to Israel, so I’ll let the guy who told Netanyahu to finish the job on national TV win.” What the fuck?

          I actually had someone tell me a month or so back that genocide is as bad as it gets and you can’t make it worse once it’s genocide.

          These people will lie to themselves about anything rather than take some fucking responsibility.

          • Nougat
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            They also wholly disregard that:

            • “Weapons” is not a singular thing. There are defensive weapons, and offensive weapons. There is no method for undoing sales of defensive weapons. Congress says send 'em; they get sent.
            • Offensive weapons can be paused, if said weapons are likely to be used in inhuman ways. In fact, Biden did exactly that – after House Republicans passed a bill to prevent him from doing it. That bill never made the floor of the Democratically controlled Senate.
            • Congress is in charge of sending those weapons, not the president. If someone wants to “both sides” that one, I’m fine with that. But now that it’s looking like all three branches of government are going to be under fascist control, I’m not holding my breath about Congress changing their stance on any weapons sales to Israel, unless that change is MOAR WEPONZ.
          • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            617 days ago

            I actually had someone tell me a month or so back that genocide is as bad as it gets and you can’t make it worse once it’s genocide

            This was a very common argument I saw. Unfortunately, I think there are people who bought it. It’s so ahistorical, and nobody seems to know anything about the conditions in Germany pre-WW2 (or probably most of the atrocities that the Nazis committed).

            There are levels to this shit, it’s not just an on/off switch.

      • @cicebazna@discuss.online
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        2118 days ago

        Well, what did you expect? ML pretty much flooded this place with genocide Joe nonsense in a very real attempt to crush the west.

        • Flying SquidM
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          1418 days ago

          Oh this is exactly what I expected. It doesn’t make me any less angry about it.

    • @Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win
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      I can’t wait to hear your weeping when the Trump backed MIC starts shovelling weapons to Israel, awards Netanyahu with the Medal of Freedom, and vetos any Israeli conviction by the ICC.

      When both Gaza and the WB are completely annexed and Trump congratulates Netanyahu for a job well done while violently suppressing any US protests, I’m sure you’ll admit your refusing to vote for Harris was a great idea.

      I don’t think you truly appreciate the shit storm that is coming your way. Because of you and your compatriots refusal to vote Dem Trump “will be a dictator on day one”. 13-20 million ‘illegal’ immigrants are promised to be deported. It is now possible anyone protesting, or even daring to speak out on social media (they’ll even look here I’m sure) against Israel’s actions will be included in that number. If I were you I’d get my licks in while I could, but use a VPN while doing it if it isn’t too late already.

      It’s looking like the whole of US government is going to be majority Red through and through. That means any bill, including one for the formation of HUAC 2.0 gets rammed through. Oh well, at least you’ll have self-righteousness to console you going through whatever happens after January.

      • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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        What will they say when kushner is building condos where Gaza was? Will that still be teaching Harris a lesson?

    • @cicebazna@discuss.online
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      818 days ago

      Haha. Parlor pinks doing everything they can to get trump elected now complain about trump being elected. Love it.

    • JaggedRobotPubes
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      Opposing the genocide meant voting for Harris to avoid this exact situation.

      There’s a smallish band of dipshits who care more about shouting about the genocide than stopping it. Not shouting about it (understandable and correct and good) and then stopping it. But actively not stopping it so they can shout.

      The only chance–and it was only a chance–to save the Palestinians, was to keep Captain Dipshit away from the steering wheel and bust Harris’ balls incessantly until she did maybe half the right thing.

      Because that option is better than what they’ve been doomed to now. But you don’t mind that. You have your purity, and that’s what your core value is.