This is more of a question for the admins, but this can certainly be a more open discussion.
Per this thread, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works two months ago, around the time that the reddit exodus was happening. Lemmy was blowing up, those instances had an open sign-up policy, and this meant that admins of other instances (like Beehaw) that wanted to heavily moderate their communities became quickly overwhelmed with the number of users from these two instances. Beehaw defederated to make the workload more realistic.
Two months on, I’m wondering if this defederation is still necessary. It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot, and maybe the flow of users from these outside servers would not be as overwhelming as it was before? I respect the decision of the admins one way or the other - I know that the lack of moderation tools was another factor in this decision. I’m just curious if this is something that has been considered recently?
Hi,
I’m speaking on behalf of the admin team of Lemmy World - we feel like we have to step in here and give some feedback to the things being said in this thread and give our perspective.
About “Supporting nazi’s”:
So we support nazi’s because it took us ‘long’ to defederate from exploding heads? That’s straight up false. We were one of the first instances to defederate with them and advocated heavily to have them defederated on other instances. FYI Lemmy World as a whole is just over 2 months old and so is this post: https://lemmy.world/post/747912
There was an issue early on with the original moderator of the Lemmy World https://lemmy.world/c/conservative community which was handled instantly:
- The problematic moderator https://lemmy.world/u/OptionHome that was posting misinformation (and worse) was banned
- The https://lemmy.world/c/conservative community was given to other moderators.
- We asked people to stop bombaring the /c/conservative community with anti-conservative posts as to allow civil discourse. https://lemmy.world/post/149519
- The https://lemmy.world/c/maga community was also banned
We take a hard stance on extremism from both sides of the political spectrum, and we believe that civil discourse should always be the first option. We ban hate communities on sight no matter whose side they are on, and we work hard to resolve the hundreds of reports we receive each day. As of today, 3733 users were banned from Lemmy.World, and that number will probably have gone up by the time you read this comment. We follow-up on moderation teams if we see reports that stay open for too long and if communities are abandoned we actively look to replace the moderation team.
So we ask everyone to keep sending in reports when you see any post that breaks the Lemmy World rules which can be found here: https://lemmy.world/legal.
About Beehaw’s decision to defederate with us: Even though we don’t agree with it, we have always been supportive of Beehaw and their choice to defederate with us until the mod tools improve. Even when the question gets posted in our community we defended the decision: https://lemmy.world/post/895811.
But wether or not Beehaw will refederate with us is ofcourse 100% your decision.
We ban hate communities on sight no matter whose side they are on
Can you please give examples of liberal or left-leaning hate groups you have had to ban?
They banned Hexbear.
Lol they aren’t leftists
Nobody is, you’ll never find a true Scottsman.
Can you please give examples of liberal or left-leaning hate groups that even exist?
Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. Note the lack of response.
From where I’m standing, I can’t really much has changed unfortunately… which really sucks…
Lemmy.world has grown substantially meanwhile the moderation tools have not improved at all. All I can say about the moderation tools is that we now know that the tools suck more than they used to.
Here’s a list of moderation problems that we have discovered since then:
- If a Berson is reported on another instance, we never get the report.
- If a mod is banned from the community they mod, they can still take mod actions
- If you get site-banned from Beehaw while you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from that instance and kbin can see your posts
- People from other instances can’t know who if someone is an admin on the instance they’re interacting with
- People from other instances can’t see when we use the shield function to signal we’re talking “officially / as a mod”
- The modlog is not chronological
- The modlog breaks if you ban someone for more than 4 digit days.
- A banned user’s description is still visible so if they link to a scat image in their description, it is still visible to moderators.
Despite these newly known problems, there have been exactly no improvement whatsoever to the moderation tools. It is honestly unsettling and terrifying.
I just finished writing a small book in a thread about federation on literature.cafe yesterday, the thrust of which is that moderation, not federation is the threadiverse’s killer feature, and when in doubt smaller instances shouldn’t federate with larger ones. This list makes a perfect post-script to my point. Do you mind if I crib it? I’m a big fan of what you’re doing here. I’d also love your feedback on my observations if you have time.
No, you are definitely right. There is a time and place for federation, it’s like a town deciding to incorporate with a larger region. If the town is too early in its infancy, the overall culture and debate will be drowned out by larger servers. But the risk of also not federating the town means that there is a chance of the community dying off. I’m thinking there should at least be a snaller period of considering the effects of opening up your server to the network, and consulting other instance admins about the idea.
Despite these newly known problems, there have been exactly no improvement whatsoever to the moderation tools. It is honestly unsettling and terrifying.
It’s bewildering how the development team has ignored the problems with data not federating properly and the performance of the app.
I hope the moderation tools improve! There are a few niche l.w communities I was looking for a few weeks ago
Support. No one wants to hear about the negative stuff about their platform of choice, but it’s important to talk about it so it can improve.
JFC there are a lot of typos in your comment! No worries since most of it is discernible. I’m in agreement with all of these points regardless.
I think I corrected them - feel free to tell me more specifically if you still see some.
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Berson = Beehaw person.
And the plural is Beeple.
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If a mod is banned from the community they mod, they can still take mod actions
Why not remove them as mod? I don’t understand why you would keep anyone in the mod team that has been banned from the community?
If you get site-banned from Beehaw while you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from that instance and kbin can see your posts
Yes that is a problem with Lemmy in general. But why this only seen as a problem for people from Lemmy World and sh.itjust.works?
The modlog is not chronological
We fix this by having enough admins to go through these reports as soon as possible.
The modlog breaks if you ban someone for more than 4 digit days.
Why ban for 9999 days if you can leave it empty and perma-ban?
Anyway, I agreed that there are a lot of issues that haven’t improved, but at least I heard that users will be able to block instances themselves soon so fingers crossed. But Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works very early on and in the meantime they are federated with instances that are as big as Lemmy.World was back then.
Why not remove them as mod? I don’t understand why you would keep anyone in the mod team that has been banned from the community?
Oversight - that simple.
Yes that is a problem with Lemmy in general. But why this only seen as a problem for people from Lemmy World and sh.itjust.works?
That is not actually a problem with Lemmy in general - community bans do block posting unlike site bans. As for why, well, it was done at that point in time because Lemmy.World and Sh.it just.works took a lot of moderation time - for one reason or another, bad actors liked to go there. I have no reason to believe this has changed now that .World is now many times bigger than it was.
Why ban for 9999 days if you can leave it empty and perma-ban?
Oversight or malice. You can break the modlog of everyone you’re federated with because of this - that is dangerous.
But Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and sh.itjust.works very early on and in the meantime they are federated with instances that are as big as Lemmy.World was back then.
Size doesn’t necessarily mean problems though. I think it’s probably a culture problem as the root cause but I don’t think .World wants to tackle that problem so all I can do is wait for better tools.
I really don’t get the “oversight” part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?
The modlog breaking XXXX amount of days bug was reported to the devs by me btw. And it was fixed on 12/08: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2058
It just feels like you are looking for excuses to keep defederated while there is no actual problem that can not be handled by working together as admins. We’ve always said we are open to discuss actions but you’ve always said when the “when modtools are available”. Now it’s a culture problem - how are Lemmy World users different from lemm.ee, midwest.social, programming.dev or other instances? And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?
I really don’t get the “oversight” part of keeping someone who is banned from a community on the moderator team there. Can you give me an example how this would make sense?
Oversight as in, “I would never think this would not work so I commited a mistake”.
We’ve always said we are open to discuss actions but you’ve always said when the “when modtools are available”.
And I stand by that.
And what do you propose should be done to tackle these issues?
I generally think that Lemmy.world’s focus on growth while being the biggest instance results in a bad site culture but I still think this problem can be tamed on our side with better mod tools.
Is it a problem of contributions (nobody made a PR adding those missing features so they don’t make it), technical challenge (those features would be hard to implement due to how Lemmy and federations work) or policy (whoever is maintaining of Lemmy does not want these features to happen)?
Some of these are likely not hard to fix but some of these are a bit more complicated like fixing the report system.
So it’d say it’s largely the former two though I’d like to mention that these issues appear to not be treated as critical problems by the main Lemmy developers so I believe this is also a policy problem.
Count or discount my opinion as a non-Beehaw member as you will but…
I think the instances should do what they set out to do. Federate, defederate in line with the instance’s ideals.
I’m not on Beehaw, but I do like seeing its content. But I also like seeing (most) of the content on Lemmy World and sh.itjust.works; and I can get both from the instance I am on.
Honestly, I think it’s best that we stay the way we are here and not re-federate.
My experience after leaving all the toxicity of Reddit behind was that it was really a blessing to find a community where moderation actually mattered and made a difference in the culture of site. I did a lot of lurking on Lemmy even before leaving Reddit, enough to know it was not a place for me. I tried Kbin when I did finally leave Reddit, but did not like the experience there much, so eventually landed here.
While I can appreciate people’s concerns about the defederation, and in particular some of the stresses for the admins which are certainly really challenging, I think it would all be far more negative if at this stage the decision were to be reversed. Not every community needs to be “the biggest, baddest, baddy in the room” so to speak. I just get the impression the vision for Lemmy is something along those lines. No one seems to care about that here (that I can tell), they just care about having civil and open discussions which, more than anything else, feel safe. It’s why I stay and am glad to support it. If that changed, I would most likely move on and not return.
I really think this needs to be fixed by a system that allows for the user to decide on their own content federation.
I think communities should be able to block users and communities from seeing and interacting with their content, but the problem is that currently defederation means that the home instance can block what you see of other instances.
This can be fixed either by still allowing data to be sent out to severs but not in from them mostly. Or it can be fixed by making unified user accounts that can persist on multiple servers and therefore go around defederation.
Why do this? Because I guarantee there are users here like myself who wouldn’t mind viewing content on other servers and so instead we’d be forced to make and use another account. The less accounts per person, the better imo. Because creating many account discourages community and harms vetting processes.
i hear you, and that’s why i made this post. After reading through the replies though, I think it makes more sense for beehaw to stay defederated. The way it blocks us from using those communities is a little annoying, but i think it’s better if you think of it like each lemmy server is it’s own social media site that happens to have some ways of communicating with other sites, rather than thinking of all lemmy servers together as one site.
That’s really the spirit of the thing - you don’t get mad at Facebook because they don’t let you view and comment on reddit posts from facebook. Currently, the connection between Beehaw and Lemmy.World is mostly the same.
Stay defederated. On top of all the great points already made, I don’t understand people demanding instances behave a certain way. If you don’t like the way this instance is handled go find another one.
Who’s demanding anything? Surely we can discuss it amongst ourselves as a community?
There is a lot of chatter that I’ve seen in other instances where Beehaw’s stance ranckled a number of folks.
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Nothing’s wrong with discussing things with the intent to make them better for everyone
Yes, instances can do whatever they want and users should seek instances that match their needs but:
- Per the thread OP linked, it’s suggested this could be temporary. “this is also not a permanent judgement” is my context in saying as such.
- The post did not feel demanding. Though perhaps you’re making a more general reference?
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Edit2: Not intended as advocation for refederating. I’m content with the content available to me so I don’t have a strong opinion.
My understanding is admins of some of those communities actually agreed with the decision because of the lack of proper moderation tools to handle their new scale. Some are basically un-moderated as well.
Speaking for Lemmy World - we look for new moderators when we notice communities are un-moderated. We follow the reports closely and if we notice they aren’t picked up by that community’s moderators we reach out.
And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a “cultural” difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.
Having accounts on both instances, I can say the “cultural” difference is the moderation style, and user expectations:
- Lemmy World: Reddit-like rules, a huge influx of Reddit refugees who think every comment has to go against the parent one, free registration which makes it easy to create an account and go troll mode on federated instances.
- Beehaw: Very open-ended but at the same time strict “be nice” moderation with minimal rules, users who had to “write an essay” (sic) to create an account, a general non-Reddit culture of… well, being nice.
- Lemmygrad, Hexbear, Exploding heads, etc: I think the cultural differences are obvious there.
- Other instances: they have much smaller user bases than Lemmy World, so even when there are cultural differences (dbzer0, lemm.ee, etc), they are not overwhelming (yet) the mod team on Beehaw.
we look for new moderators when we notice communities are un-moderated
The problem is not just having moderators on LW, but moderating LW’s userbase on federated instances. Some number of LW’s users seem to be hostile towards Beehaw, and there is little LW can do about that other than banning their accounts, which I don’t think would be that much better for anyone.
users who had to “write an essay” (sic) to create an account, a general non-Reddit culture of… well, being nice.
Didn’t have to be an essay, it just had to be something that answered the 3 questions it asked about why you want to join beehaw.
Precisely. I think the “write an essay” has become kind of a meme among non-Beeple about Beehaw at this point; I first saw it on Reddit a couple months ago, kept seeing it on and off, and just today saw it again.
It was also in part what made me join: when I saw what it was all about, I was like “so… people who believe that thinking before answering is too much effort, won’t be here… nice…” 😄
The kind of people who keep calling it an essay are the exact kind of people I don’t want around anyway. Either it’s too much to ask of them to write a couple of sentences, or they haven’t even bothered to look and inform themselves before spitting their hot take. Neither personality is desirable lol
The kind of people who keep calling it an essay are the exact kind of people I don’t want around anyway.
The TLDR behavior and won’t click offsite links and references and want a constant stream of tiny little ideas. There was a time when Reddit wasn’t like that and it became the culture of TLDR and downvote-disagree.
Reddit could have single-handedly taken on clickbait in 2014 or earlier by people replacing news headlines with sincere earnest descriptions. But the clickbait became what people swam in.
My friend put some pretty simple stuff and got denied. Granted it may have been during a negative influx
Feel free to message me on Beehaw or email at support@beehaw.org, I’ll review the message and say why I might’ve denied it though I can’t answer for others.
For sure, I’ll let him know if he’s still interested :) he mostly uses the toot style so he’s mostly on mastodon these days, but always happy to share community!
Really more than anything he’s looking for Gundam and Gunpla communities
And yes, we were also told initially that it was because of a lack of moderation tools but now @Lionir@beehaw.org seems indicate a “cultural” difference. But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.
Yes, there are differences in site culture between Beehaw and Lemmy.world that make the need for moderation higher.
Appreciate the insight. I have heard many variations of what went down/what the reasoning was and it’s all sort of unclear to me to be honest. But ultimately I think if instances weren’t supposed to defederate, then the option wouldn’t exist. Mistake or not it’s their call!
But we are left wondering what the difference with LW and the other instances they federate with are.
Have you asked them?
I trust the admins. I was attracted to beehaw specifically because of the tight moderation. If they think they can keep to the same high standards and refederate, great. If not, oh well. I’d rather miss out on some content than expose myself to rude assholes, bigots, fascists etc
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They’re pretty different for me. Beehaw is more community oriented - it reminds me of the smaller subs where you had regulars who talked about or gave advice on the content like vaporents. Kbin however is just as good for me, it just reminds me more of scrolling my hobby feed, whereas Beehaw honestly is a lot of news and politics on mine.
I have subbed to pretty much the first 30 pages of Magazines that I’m interested in on Kbin and it’s small but throughout the week it’s pretty varied. I actually haven’t gone through my subscriptions on Beehaw since not long after I made it, so it’s still pretty default. Like I said, it’s much more community chat based with news.
But I can probably change that just by adjusting my subscriptions on Beehaw, I just haven’t gotten around to it yet :) I like both for what they are, though I wish kbin had a little more activity. I’m also lucky, I haven’t personally seen any negativity whatsoever over there, but some people have reported issues which is disheartening.
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Completely agree! I trust the admins, they have proven that they know how to run a community that stays kind ❤️
Yes it is. Yes it is.
If you really interact with the lemmy community you know they are very pro “freeze peach”, which means it comes with all the fascists, all the phobias, and the trolls.
I like Beehaw for what it is. Tight moderation.
Lemmy World is not a “free speech” platform.
Point 1 in the “Principles that Guide Us” section: https://lemmy.world/legal
ok…? But it is not my experience there and from the responses here they seem to agree with me.
A principle is not useful when it is not enforced.
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It is a “free speech” platform insomuch as it is intentionally making space for people with fundamentally conflicting beliefs.
There is no c/conservative on Beehaw, and many of us would not be here if there was. Extremism is not the only thing that is incompatible with my beliefs, and I get enough daily exposure to Neoliberal and Conservative viewpoints that I don’t want to deal with it when I’m relaxing. It’s why I haven’t had Facebook or Twitter in years.
Lemmy.world and Beehaw just have different goals.
I genuinely recommend against re-federation for Beehaw.
My unique take and experience from lemmy.one is simply the number of users who simply seek to stir the pot.
My blocklist is full of people from lemm.ee and sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world as well as lemmy.ca . When I compare the number of blocks to the number I’ve blocked from beehaw or even my own instance; a paltry one or two; I’m only ever seeing trolls or idealogues coming from those instances to argue with my posts no matter how well reasoned they may be. For context; if I tell someone they are absolutely wrong and they persist; they automatically meet my block list. I won’t suffer people who aren’t going to discuss things civilly or rationally.
Blocking someone because they don’t agree with you telling them they are “absolutely wrong” isn’t civil or rational discourse. Unless you meant something different?
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I agree with all of this, I was just pointing out that common understanding (read: my own) of civil and rational discourse doesn’t usually include immediately blocking people who don’t agree to you telling them they are wrong in absolute terms.
I could be wrong however, happens a lot.
Edit: that is not to day I don’t personally block people I think are being arseholes, i 100% do, I just don’t claim to be doing so in the defence of civil or rational discourse.
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Each to their own, I too have pre-blocked on occasion.
I probably wouldn’t hold myself responsible for angry internet people, if I’m engaging in good faith and they get angry that’s not on me, trolls gonna troll, but again each to their own.
Blocking someone because they don’t agree with you telling them they are “absolutely wrong” isn’t civil or rational discourse
Who says that is the objective of blocking and why should I extend that courtesy to people who are behaving neither civilly nor rationally?
If I go to a bar and someone next to me keeps chiming in on my conversations with homophobic takes, I’m going to pick up my beer and move away from them (block them). What moral imperative do I have to give them the time of day, and how does letting them constantly shoehorn bigotry into my discussions undermine “civil and rational discourse”? If that person keeps doing this to people, is the bar owner required to allow them to stay, or can they show them the door?
Calls for civility, free speech arguments, etc. are all cudgels used by people who want to go where they want and say what they want without scrutiny and I for one have no desire to adhere to some arbitrary moral standard imposed on me by people who want to behave that way. If you want to behave like an ass and pursue me, then I’m cutting you out of my life. No one would blame me at a bar, why should they on my favorite gaming forums?
Indeed, the paradox of tolerance is real https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
At least for me and by the sounds of it, you.
Very real and very much something people need to learn to apply!
As one of the Bar owners of Lemmy World, we show anyone with homophobic takes the door.
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Glad to hear it. I think too many mods/admins fall into the trappings of free speech arguments and “letting healthy dialogue happen” because it’s an ideal that we’ve all sort of internalized, often to our own detriment because we don’t want to appear “too biased” or like “power tripping jannies.” The reality is it’s a pretty simple equation: if someone is sufficiently disruptive that’s plenty of reason to remove them.
Telling someone that they are “Absolutely wrong” is within my right and is also a very polite way to indicate to someone to shut up and listen without saying it; and that attempting to talk with me further on the topic will not be civil or fruitful.
Blocking people who persist is a simple mechanism to weed out anyone who refuse to listen to logic or feelings on a matter when they don’t align with their own.
Would you rather I be blunt and simply tell idiots to “Shut the fuck up”? Because that’s definitely not civility. Don’t try to argue semantics here; it’s ugly and unnecessary.
Absolutely within your rights, depending on the instance you are on and if the rules are enforced i suppose. Same as anything anybody else says. One of the main draws of the fediverse, no ?
I doubt “Absolutely wrong” would be read as “shut up and listen” in most contexts but i could be in the minority here.
Blocking people who persist is a simple mechanism to weed out anyone who refuse to listen to logic or feelings on a matter when they don’t align with their own.
Agreed , i do it too, frequently.
Would you rather I be blunt and simply tell idiots to “Shut the fuck up”? Because that’s definitely not civility. Don’t try to argue semantics here; it’s ugly and unnecessary.
i don’t have an opinion on how blunt you should be with people, your call.
Don’t try to argue semantics here; it’s ugly and unnecessary.
Arguing semantics is ugly when done in bad faith ,but i’m not trolling or baiting you , i just happen to think word choice is important in some situations. (for a given value of important, i mean it’s not life or death here or anything)
In this case i (personally) read it as “I block people who don’t agree with my very well reasoned opinion, even after i graciously explained it to them, they just won’t listen to me and keep replying”.
and most of that comes from the use of the term “Absolutely wrong” which is an absolute, by definition and leaves no room for other opinions or options.
As you said, you can use whatever words you like, at least one person thinks your use of absolutes in statements detracts from your otherwise cogent arguments, do with that what you will.
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Given how unstable Lemmy’s performance is, adding even more incoming activity is likely to cause more crashes and problems. And it isn’t as if there are aren’t 1200 other Lemmy instances out there who are showing content from Lemmy.world
I remember when Beehaw’s signup code in Lemmy was so broken that there was a huge backlog.
It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot,
That’s helped with the crashes in recent weeks, less data, less crashing. Lemmy.world has over 9000 communities, moderating all those entrances is huge, and the SQL performance problems in Lemmy are aggravated by all that additional data.
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Lemmy.world feels the most Reddit-like in my experience. Beehaw felt… different even when I was browsing it from Lemmy.ca in April and the entire Lemmyverse as a whole had maybe a couple dozen posts a day. There were real neat and in-depth discussions by people who were capable of feeling and caring, and no propaganda spam that many instances had. We had a few bumps along the way but overall I’m still very happy about how things are.
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We handle our reports daily and urge our users to keep reporting anything that goes against our rules.
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I replied somewhere else in this thread but we - the admins of lemmy world - have always been supportive of the beehaw decision to wait until better tools come along for moderation. We went through a few growing pains with LW but I’m happy to see how far we have come already and we keep working to make things better. Our legal page with the rulesets is actively being maintained and defines what we stand for: https://lemmy.world/legal.
lemmy.world is just hot garbage imo
I’m on Lemmy.world every day and I’ve never seen any of that. I don’t doubt it exists, but it’s definitely not a problem on any of the communities I’m subscribed to.
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I’m not jumping on you - I’m just pointing out lemmy.world isn’t a total write off. There are about 20k monthly active users on that instance and about 20k of those people are polite, reasonable people who post interesting content.
With any large community like that there’s always going to be some people who’re problematic, but either the moderators on lemmy.world are deleting them before I see them, or else it’s happening on communities I don’t subscribe to (probably a mix of both).
I think Beehaw should re-federate lemmy.world as soon as the moderation tools are better. In particular the cross-instance moderation issues should be sorted out. The key to a functioning fediverse is to ensure that everyone across instances can work together to tackle bad content. Many hands make light work.
I don’t really care about “growth”. Lemmy is a community not a corporation. What I care about is when someone starts an interesting discussion, are there “enough” people who take part in that discussion? I see threads on Beehaw (and even on Lemmy.World) that get zero replies. That sucks.
I would rather there be no discussion over a bunch of low quality shit posting and rage baiting tbh
I value the principled approach and slower pace, the low tolerance for stirring. Moderation has such a huge effect on feel and the big ones never did enough to try to build healthy communities. Beehaw has mostly taken the sting out and I’d hate to see that lost.
Here are my two cents as an outsider looking in. I spend ~15-30 mins a day on Lemmy (usually while doing other things), so I see a decent amount of content but I am not at the leading edge of posts. When I look at posts, I rarely, if ever see spam. For the most part there is civil conversations and those that attempt to derail them are downvoted and, in some cases, banned.
Does this mean that moderation isn’t a problem? No, I am but one user. However, it does indicate it is not a chronic issue. Personally I would like to see you guys refederate, as that could only increase the quality of discussions throughout the fediverse.
See I have the exact opposite experience outside of beehaw and a few key communities I browse on Kbin.
Does this mean that moderation isn’t a problem? No, I am but one user. However, it does indicate it is not a chronic issue.
This is contradictory. You are admitting your experience is anecdotal yet also saying it clearly shows there isn’t a problem.
stay defederated. even now whenever I see some transphobic or hateful comment it’s because I accidentally browsed all
edit: apologies everyone!!! it’s called “Everything” 🤦 I’m sorry for the confusion I feel dumb now
All only shows content from instances that Beehaw is federated with, FYI.
And, it’s only communities someone on beehaw has specifically subscribed to. Communities from federated instances won’t show up in all if no one from beehaw has ever subscribed to them.
Hm, if someone subscribes to a federated community, and then unsubscribes, does it keep getting pulled in?
I’m not sure. Once the connection has been made I’d assume it stays but I haven’t verified.
Is there a way to see all the communities on your instances c/all?
Edit: Nvm it is at the top of the page.
I’m not sure actually, but that’s a good idea.
I found it. You have to press the communities tab at the top of your instance and press all
yeah my bad I looked and it’s actually called “Everything”
stay defederated. even now whenever I see some transphobic or hateful comment it’s because I accidentally browsed all
Do report if you see anything like this, it can help us block communities and talk to other admins to get those communities deleted.
I will !! ❤️
Thank you ❤
All on beehaw? Because if so those aren’t from the instances we’re talking about.
no all on sync. it shows like lemmy.ml and stuff. tbf idrk how this works
edit: I’m so sorry it’s actually called everything
That’s still “all”. Sync just calls it everything.
but that’s still beehaw
If you’re signed into Beehaw you won’t see lemmy.world content anywhere (including in all/everything).
If you sign with an account from somewhere else that “everything” feed will be different.
“Local” is communities only from your signed in instance. “All” will include posts from communities anyone from your instance has subscribed to (and they can only subscribe to communities from federated instances).
what? i never claimed to see lemmy.world I said other instances… it shows @lemmy.ml etc
How does that relate to staying defederated then? Or are you calling for more of it? I don’t care either way, just curious.
I spend most of the time on Kbin, sometimes lurking and sometimes commenting on different posts.
I can’t talk about sh.itjust.works because I rarely see content from that instance. Sometimes a meme, or sometimes a techie news post. But very rarely, as I said. If you stay federated or defederated with sh.itjust.works, I don’t really care, because I don’t really know that place or the content it’s published there.
However, I strongly prefer to stay defederated from lemmy.world. I really can’t understand why an instance with the .world domain is so US-centric. I don’t give a shit about Iowa, Idaho, Florida, Montana, Texas, California or whatever posts from related communites I see while browsing all on Kbin. Besides, being myself anti-nazi, anti-fascist and anti-tankie, I support when other instances defederate from far-right and far-left instances, but I don’t understand why they defederate instantly from certain instances and take some time to defederate from other certain instances. It’s sad, but lemmy.world is the most similar thing to reddit right now, and it seems that they want to monopolize everything, because there are communities on other instances, as well as on Kbin, that have few activity, if any, in favour of .world ones.
And then there is a cryptic reply to a comment I made on another post.
Most of the admins are Europeans and the server is also hosted in Europe (currently).
We defederated with both the extreme left and right instances. Which instance are you talking about?
Everyone is free to start a community on our instance as long as they have active moderators and follow the rules
Most of the admins are Europeans and the server is also hosted in Europe (currently).
Yes, and that’s really confusing. I mean, I respect the fact about posting US news where they belong and news from other countries where they belong too (I don’t like it, but I respect it). But while I browse all on Kbin, 90% of the content is about US, and I’m tired of blocking US communities every time they appear on my feed.
We defederated with both the extreme left and right instances. Which instance are you talking about?
Back in the day, some weeks or last month, or whenever it happened, I read some public disagreements about why lemmy.world didn’t defederate exploding-heads when they defederated lemmygrad. Why so much time with the heads and no time with the grads.
Everyone is free to start a community on our instance as long as they have active moderators and follow the rules
Obviously. But again, while browsing all on Kbin, the only thing I see is content from lemmy.world, while content from similar communities on other instances, although being there, it’s either invisible or at the very bottom. To the point I had to block that instance, so my feed will be enriched by other instances.
We are not defederated from lemmygrad. The only ‘big’ instances that are defederated are exploding-heads and hexbear. And as I pointed out here it did NOT take us long to defederate with them.
Preemptively defederates from hexbear as a “last-resort”
Takes days to defederate from exploding-heads
Takes days to defederate from rammy.site despite knowing its been taken over by exploding-heads
Wonders why people think you are a Nazi instance
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Preemptively defederates from hexbear as a “last-resort”
We had our reasons to preemptively defederate and that has proven to be the correct action - just check what giving them a chance did for https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/
Takes days to defederate from exploding-heads
Yes, days is a long time now? We were still (one of) the first to defederate with them.
Takes days to defederate from rammy.site despite knowing its been taken over by exploding-heads
The instance you are on (lemmy.one) never was defederated with rammy.site. When rammy.site was overtaken by Exploding Heads members we tried to contact the site admin first. When he didn’t reply we defederated. That took about a day.
Wonders why people think you are a Nazi instance
Yes. But I know you’re not here to argue in good faith. Your post history and this statement screams “Hexbear user on his alt”.
I really can’t understand why an instance with the .world domain is so US-centric.
Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with a lot of the other popular lemmy instances being specifically oriented around a specific non-US country, so that those of us who are in the US felt deterred from joining the ones that explicitly included “.de” or “.ca” or “.ch” in their domain, with German/Canadian/Swiss stuff in the sidebar.
