• @ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      148
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      Not just humans - I think it’s not unusual to see a sick animal, notice that it’s “moving wrong”, and feel a revulsion that motivates staying away from it. It’s a very handy instinct if, for example, that animal might have rabies…

      Edit: I agree with you, I’m just expanding on what you said.

    • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin
      link
      fedilink
      495 months ago

      Could also have been cannibals, a lot of folklores talk about people who aren’t really people that kill and eat people. Some versions of the tale of the wendigo feature whoever encounters them in their human forms noting that they knew they must be wendigo because they looked like normal people but something just felt wrong about how they behaved.

      Uncanny valley could be at play in the ick you feel when you can tell for no apparent reason that someone’s a psychopath or dangerous in some other way, the unconscious response to the things your brain noticed that you didn’t.

      • @snooggums@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        41
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        …they knew they must be wendigo because they looked like normal people but something just felt wrong about how they behaved.

        Humans have a pretty good knack of recognizing things without understanding the cause. Wendigo sounds kind of like a cannibal who got a prion disease, with the unusual physical behaviors.

    • @TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      43
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      IIRC Sapiens, Neanderthals and Denisovans coexisted for some time, so it could be not about things that aren’t human, but humans that are different. To this day, xenophobia and ethnocentrism are common attitudes.

      • @accideath@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        265 months ago

        Yea but homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis definitely interbred. A lot. A measurable chunk of modern human DNA is neanderthal in origin. The uncanny valley being there to spot sick and dead people is more likely.

    • @sartalon@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      55 months ago

      I just saw this meme, though it was funny. Showed it to my friend and he said almost exactly this.

      It makes perfect sense now that I hear it.

    • @FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      -205 months ago

      Sir/ma’am, this is a meme subreddit, most people are here to just be silly. And there’s also the fact that not everyone has seen every meme and done the work to debunk it, as apparently you have.

  • @NateNate60@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    81
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    This gets posted a lot, but nobody ever seems to post what the thing was.

    The answer is probably “other hominids”. Humans (Homo sapiens specifically) co-existed with them for a long time and competed with them over resources.

    Edit: and the genetically deformed (with whom it would be beneficial to not breed, at least from an evolutionary standpoint) and corpses or people with disease

  • Nora
    link
    fedilink
    325 months ago

    There were tons of humanoid species around before we killed them all. Neanderthals, etc. Wonder why they’re dead? Could be this.

  • @masquenox@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    215 months ago

    …or it’s just that requiring co-operative society for our survival wired us to pick up on very subtle facial and figurative signals and signs when it comes to human behavior and anything “off” about it sticks out like a sore and creepy thumb.

  • @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    205 months ago

    Not necessarily, it could just be a fear of humans or hominids that weren’t the same as your own tribe. In that sense, ingrained racism and uncanny valley would be the same psychological effect.

  • Victor
    link
    fedilink
    155 months ago

    I would say there’s an evolutionary need to be afraid of things we don’t understand. Lots more examples of that as well.

    When it looks like something we think we recognize but it looks unfamiliar at the same time, we don’t understand it, and we want to stay away from it.

    Simple as that, in my mind. 🤷‍♂️

    • @Wanderer@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      105 months ago

      Being lactose intolerance implies that at some point there was some deadly form of milk and squirting shit out of your arse at 400mph is an appropriate way of dealing with it.

    • Enkrod
      link
      fedilink
      05 months ago

      No, but the aversion reaction to the uncanny valley is pretty strong. It’s more likely an adapted trait than not and can be easily explained by dead or sick humans and animals.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
    link
    fedilink
    English
    125 months ago

    I mean, at some point humans and neanderthals coexisted and even interbred. I don’t think it’s a stretch that there could have been other similar species that we didn’t get along with even earlier than that.

  • @JCreazy@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    65 months ago

    I still don’t understand what the uncanney valley is exactly. I’ve read the definition but not I don’t experience it that way I guess? I don’t know what people are talking about when they say something is uncanny valley.

    • @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      11
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      I’ve always understood it as the perception that something isn’t quite right (usually with a person, but I’ve seen it used in non-human contexts too) without being able to immediately describe why.

      A great example is Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One - the actor who played him on the original trilogy died in 1994, so they just deep-faked him into the scenes he was needed. When I saw Rogue One initially, I didn’t know that actor was dead, and didn’t connect the dots that even if he wasn’t dead, he’d look like a zombie this many years after filming the OT… but in Rogue One, he just looked like Tarkin. Mostly. The scenes that featured him gave a kind of uncomfortable “what the hell is wrong with that guy” feeling, but I still didn’t connect the dots and couldn’t put my finger on why it looked so wrong.

      Then later I learned is was a deep-fake, and now it just looks like a deep-fake; the uncanny valley sensation went away once I finally understood why he looked the way he did.

      The internet is full of creepy looking ‘examples’ of uncanny valley, but they’re all shit imo, cuz they’re all just blatantly creepy shit; well beyond the uncertainty that goes along with uncanny valley.

      • @rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio
        link
        fedilink
        45 months ago

        I’m decently familiar with deepfakes and I totally didn’t notice Tarkin being off when I saw Rogue One in theaters. I was like, “Wow, that actor has barely aged a day since the original trilogy. Good for him.” I later learned about it being special effects and was like “Damn, they did a good job. Totally fooled me.”

        Like, I can see it when I look at it now, only after being told. But the first time, on the big screen? Didn’t notice at all.

        I’ve seen some really neat deepfakes over the years. One of my favorites replaces Jack Nicholson with Jim Carrey in “The Shining”, so the creepiness kinda helps, lol

        • @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          0
          edit-2
          5 months ago

          Yea once you know why it looks off, it switches from uncanny to plain ol creepy. At least, subjectively for me it does - idk if that uncertainty is definitively a criteria for uncanny valley, but that’s what makes it a distinct experience from creepiness imo.

    • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      25 months ago

      One of the best real life examples was the movie Mars Needs Moms.

      It was made with a technology called motion capture, and it’s absolutely bizarre and unnerving to watch. Everything just looks wrong in a way that’s very difficult to explain.