Cats and dogs have no metacognition. They can barely recognize themselves in the mirror. We do. We have the ability to think about our actions, assign them moral value and better ourselves. That ability is completely wasted if you hold yourself to the same standard as a dog or cat. Is it ok to sniff random people’s buttholes because dogs do it? To eat your own children because some wild animals do it?
Human beings evolved to eat plants and meat and no you can’t get everything from plants as some nutrients in plants are not digestible and don’t get absorbed compared to nutrients from meat
Look if you want to be personally vеgаn indent mind and don’t have anything against you for it but when you or other vеgаns attack people who choose to not be vеgаn or have a vegetarian diet then that becomes a problem because you step into the territory of bullying and harassment of others
Vegan diets have been confirmed to be as good as omnivore diets, even better in some aspects, multiple and multiple times by research, so this point is moot.
We are not attacking you, though your defensiveness speaks volumes. We simply want a better world where billions of animals aren’t tortured and killed every year for a diet that is unnecessary, for the profit of shady corporations and that is contributing to our unsustainable lifestyle.
i don’t know about all of their references, but i do know the canadian paper you linked is dated TWENTY YEARS AGO and the ARCHIVED position paper you linked from the AND is expired: it is not the current position of the AND. the australian government’s position is based entirely on that expired position paper.
and, of course, the NHS regularlyly recommends that people eat dairy and seafood. even if a vegan diet can be made to work, it is not recommended by most dietetic associations (none that i know of) for most people.
edit: apparently the only paper with which i had no familiarity was the italian position, but the lead in for that details that you need to take special care to ensure you get enough of certain nutrients.
i’m not a dietitian nor a nutritionist, but even if i were i’m not YOUR dietition or nutritionist, just as you’re not the dietician or nutritionist for anyone on this network. further, veganism is linked with depressive conditions like vystopia, so it’s clear that nutrients aren’t all that is required to be healthy.
The AND paper from 2016 doesn’t seem expired, just removed from some site redesign: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ The fact that the position hasn’t changed in more than 13 years should be an indication that it still holds. You don’t need to prove that water is wet every few years to make sure it’s still a valid stance.
The NHS respects your life choices, and makes recommendations for nutrients based on those choices.
Any talk about nutrition will be prefaced about getting certain nutrients. If omnivore diets had no risk of deficiencies we wouldn’t need dietitians. Any talk about an omnivore diet will be prefaced with fiber, which is easier to be lacking in that diet.
I never claimed to be a nutritionist. I was just challenging the outdated notion that you NEED to be an omnivore to have a healthy diet.
Vystopia is just a side effect. If I had a cent for every depressing thing in life I would be a millionaire. Dealing with depressing shit is just part of life. Suggesting that someone shouldn’t become vegan because they might get depressed is ridiculous. The same could be said about politics, gay rights, abortion rights etc, etc. Just live in a monastery, don’t care about anything worldly and you won’t be depressed. And veganism isn’t just about being depressed. There is a complementary effect of happiness from feeling connected to and respecting every living being in the world.
Of course. I have a friend who is allergic to most vegetable protein. She would be in ER if she ate a tomato. Of course she can never be vegan. But most people have no health risks of the sorts. I don’t have any data on this, but I would bet on 90% of the population having absolutely no issue with a vegan diet. The “not all people can” argument is moot.
Cats and dogs have no metacognition. They can barely recognize themselves in the mirror. We do. We have the ability to think about our actions, assign them moral value and better ourselves. That ability is completely wasted if you hold yourself to the same standard as a dog or cat. Is it ok to sniff random people’s buttholes because dogs do it? To eat your own children because some wild animals do it?
Human beings evolved to eat plants and meat and no you can’t get everything from plants as some nutrients in plants are not digestible and don’t get absorbed compared to nutrients from meat
Look if you want to be personally vеgаn indent mind and don’t have anything against you for it but when you or other vеgаns attack people who choose to not be vеgаn or have a vegetarian diet then that becomes a problem because you step into the territory of bullying and harassment of others
Vegan diets have been confirmed to be as good as omnivore diets, even better in some aspects, multiple and multiple times by research, so this point is moot.
We are not attacking you, though your defensiveness speaks volumes. We simply want a better world where billions of animals aren’t tortured and killed every year for a diet that is unnecessary, for the profit of shady corporations and that is contributing to our unsustainable lifestyle.
Yeah you’re gonna need to cite your sources when you make claims like that.
And many more on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism#Positions_of_dietetic_and_government_associations
But you’re probably not going to read any of that and were just hoping for some gotcha moment
i don’t know about all of their references, but i do know the canadian paper you linked is dated TWENTY YEARS AGO and the ARCHIVED position paper you linked from the AND is expired: it is not the current position of the AND. the australian government’s position is based entirely on that expired position paper.
and, of course, the NHS regularlyly recommends that people eat dairy and seafood. even if a vegan diet can be made to work, it is not recommended by most dietetic associations (none that i know of) for most people.
edit: apparently the only paper with which i had no familiarity was the italian position, but the lead in for that details that you need to take special care to ensure you get enough of certain nutrients.
i’m not a dietitian nor a nutritionist, but even if i were i’m not YOUR dietition or nutritionist, just as you’re not the dietician or nutritionist for anyone on this network. further, veganism is linked with depressive conditions like vystopia, so it’s clear that nutrients aren’t all that is required to be healthy.
The AND paper from 2016 doesn’t seem expired, just removed from some site redesign: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ The fact that the position hasn’t changed in more than 13 years should be an indication that it still holds. You don’t need to prove that water is wet every few years to make sure it’s still a valid stance.
The NHS respects your life choices, and makes recommendations for nutrients based on those choices.
Any talk about nutrition will be prefaced about getting certain nutrients. If omnivore diets had no risk of deficiencies we wouldn’t need dietitians. Any talk about an omnivore diet will be prefaced with fiber, which is easier to be lacking in that diet.
I never claimed to be a nutritionist. I was just challenging the outdated notion that you NEED to be an omnivore to have a healthy diet.
Vystopia is just a side effect. If I had a cent for every depressing thing in life I would be a millionaire. Dealing with depressing shit is just part of life. Suggesting that someone shouldn’t become vegan because they might get depressed is ridiculous. The same could be said about politics, gay rights, abortion rights etc, etc. Just live in a monastery, don’t care about anything worldly and you won’t be depressed. And veganism isn’t just about being depressed. There is a complementary effect of happiness from feeling connected to and respecting every living being in the world.
here you go
https://web.archive.org/web/20190708160222/https://www.eatrightpro.org/~/media/eatrightpro files/practice/position and practice papers/position papers/vegetarian-diet.ashx
This is the exact same thing I linked in the post above. What is your point?
some people might need to tho.
Of course. I have a friend who is allergic to most vegetable protein. She would be in ER if she ate a tomato. Of course she can never be vegan. But most people have no health risks of the sorts. I don’t have any data on this, but I would bet on 90% of the population having absolutely no issue with a vegan diet. The “not all people can” argument is moot.