Would a Federation warship like the Defiant out gun a Star Wars Star Destroyer? Who has a bigger armada? Who has the tactical advantage? Don’t forget that The Federation includes the Klingons, who love warfare and have fast, agile, heavily armed ships, with cloaking devices, and the Vulcans with superior logic and tactical planning.

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    8 months ago

    I would say yes, since the technology demonstrated in Star Trek seems way more advanced than the technology demonstrated in Star Wars. Even Jedi powers don’t seem particularly strong compared to just the natural abilities of many species that are part of the Federation (and if they seek help outside the Federation, they could potentially have literal gods on their side).

    However, in another thread today I saw a comment saying that hyperdrives are faster than warp drives, and allow people in Star Wars to traverse the entire galaxy in a day or two. Star Trek ain’t that fast so it might be hard to stop a Death Star obliterating all the planets before they can get there and stop it. 🤔 I don’t know how true that statement is though; I’m not nearly as well versed in Star Wars as I am in Trek.

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      38 months ago

      I would say yes, since the technology demonstrated in Star Trek seems way more advanced than the technology demonstrated in Star Wars.

      Care to elaborate?

      Federation officers are more scientifically inclined, but in my opinion Star Wars tech is equal or greater at every turn, the tech just gets less fanfare because to Star Wars peeps, the stuff is boring ancient technology.

      • @Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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        28 months ago

        Teleporter for one. Hologram rooms, the machine to make any object (fuck was it called?!). Resources and ship characteristics will be very important to determining who would win. Star trek has teleporters which I think is a huge advantage

        • Melkath
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          48 months ago

          That’s a good question for me. How exactly do replicator work?

          My first response was “they only make any food or drink, except alcohol.” All of this, however, does replicate on dishes. The food is obviously actually nutritious, unless nutrition is coming from pills off screen.

          Do the dishes eventually disappear?

          If they don’t, and a new dish is being fabricated from air for everyone each meal, wouldn’t the ship eventually just be a horde of dishes?

          I dont know any of these details.

          Can a replicator make a grenade?

          • Melmi
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            78 months ago

            This is answered in the show:

            Replicators can make alcohol, they’re just programmed not to. This is for health reasons, because synthahol is considered safer. It’s possible to override that behavior though and make them replicate the real thing.

            Similarly, while I don’t think grenades have ever come up, replicators are perfectly capable of replicating weapons, but there are sometimes restrictions on replicating weapons.

            In general, replicators can replicate pretty much any “mundane” object. It’s only specific scifi elements they can’t replicate like Dilithium, latinum, etc.

            As for dishes, they don’t disappear on their own, anything that’s replicated is a real physical object. It will stick around forever, so you have to “do the dishes” by putting them in the replicator to be broken back down into energy. There’s at least one episode of DS9 where we see someone’s quarters full of dirty plates and their roommate complains about them never putting their plates back in the replicator—even when you have a magic box that literally dematerializes your dirty dishes, sometimes it’s just too much effort.

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            They work by assembling atoms into their respective molecular structure to produce materials. Think of them as very fast atomic 3d printers. They have devices on-board that break matter (any matter) down into the building blocks for atoms (quarks, electrons, neutrons), and then that resource can be re-assembled in whatever configuration is requested. You can turn poop into whiskey with Federation technology.

          • @joel_feila@lemmy.world
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            18 months ago

            in one episode on ds9 the replicators all spawned auto firing phasors that targeted any non cardasian. Yes they can make weapons

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        -18 months ago

        No shields in Star Wars, first of all. Much more powerful weaponry in Star Trek (it doesn’t take a moon sized station 30 hours to charge a laser; the Enterprise could nuke a planet in like 30 seconds with a phaser bank). Mind control and telekinetic powers are effortless vs taking years of dedicated training. Etc.

        • Melkath
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          Not true. The entire plot of Return of the Jedi is taking down the shields protecting the Death Star 2. Droidikas have shields. Capital ships are equipped with corridor shields, as displayed in Revenge of the Sith.

          They might not be implemented in the same way, but the tech is there and while I don’t have an example off the top of my head, I don’t believe there there are not shielded empire vessels in the expanded universe.

          And at that, in such an absurd hypothetical, the legion of empire engineers could quickly see the Federation shield advantage and quickly mimic it.

          Your statement of enterprises ability to blow up a planet with its phasers is also 100 percent false. Just straight gobbledygook.

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              If we are talking planetary warfare, I am now remembering the shield domes from Phantom Menace.

              Don’t forget about the energy shielding used to protect the Mustafar refineries in RotS.

              I am not a super buff on either franchise, and I definitely know more Star Wars, but I don’t remember any kind of terrestrial, infantry, or personal shielding in Star Trek, with the exception of the Borg, who continue to wreck the Federation because the only shields the Federation has are bubbles around their ships that fail pretty quickly with an energy weapon barrage.

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            Your statement of enterprises ability to blow up a planet with its phasers is also 100 percent false. Just straight gobbledygook.

            There is literally an episode of TNG where they use that very thing as a threat to some colonists they need to move, and then go on to say that the incoming aliens that want the humans gone are even more powerful. Their ability to glass a planet with a single ship is mentioned *quite a bit.

            As for the shields in Star Wars: They’re only good if the ships are near enough to a ground based generator that is vulnerable to attack. In a straight up space battle not near a planet, the empire is kinda fucked. Plus the shield generators in Return of the Jedi at least don’t seem to be shielded themselves… So lock photon torpedos and boom.

    • @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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      28 months ago

      Even if hyperdrives are faster, SW ships have no shields. As long as the planet they are wanting to blow up has teleporter stations they can just start beaming officers into space. It takes time to charge the planet killing laser.