See, I won’t do that because these sort of ultimatums are counter productive to the larger goal. If liberal ideals are the end target then saying ‘give it now or let MAGA take over for all I care’ ends up putting everything that HAS been gained at risk to make a point. Letting the far right take control will inevitably move everyone and everything further away from the end goals making it that much more unlikely to make up that lost ground and make any progress in future administrations.
See, I won’t do that because these sort of ultimatums are counter productive to the larger goal.
You’re blindly accepting ultimatums handed to us daily by moderate and liberals and then calling it out when we fight back. You’re trying to hold us to a different standard than liberal and moderate voters.
putting everything that HAS been gained at risk
Again, this is a two way street. If moderates and liberals aren’t willing to make material compromises with us they are also putting “everything that has been gained at risk”.
Take a basic presumption that things are near a 50/50 split but on the optimistic premise that Biden ends up with say 53% of the vote leaving 47%✓to Trump. Now this ‘movement’ comes along and convinces maybe 10% of those people to go some other direction because ‘Biden bad’ regardless of the issues with Trump.
You now get a 43/47/10 split, which given the nature of the electoral college actually ends up with a Trump landslide claiming the electors in multiple contested state.
Unless you are willing to say that Biden is at least as bad as or worse than Trump (in which case you may as well vote for Trump), or are convinced that you can get a near unanimous vote to go outside the nominated candidate for the Democrat party, then all your efforts does is support a Trump victory. Your personal morals being placated won’t do a thing to save Palestine, preserve rights for vulnerable populations, or anything else of consequence.
What this ends up as is essentially the ‘Bernie broes’ from 2016 who refused to support Clinton and helped get Trump a first term.
No, I’m simply reiterating the realities of today. The electoral college in all but 2 states as I last recalled awards all the state’s electors to whomever wins the simple majority in a state. If things where exactly 50/50 today and these protesting groups siphoned away votes specifically from Biden then you now hand Trump the state. It works the other way too.
Now if somehow these people siphoned an equal amount from both parties it becomes a wash and irrelevant, but since it’s a specifically anti-Biden effort that’s not likely the case.
Yes, but you’re only telling this to progressives and leftists despite having near zero input on policy while giving moderates and liberals a free pass while they enjoy full control of all policy decisions.
I would tell the same to anyone who cares to not see a second Trump term regardless of ideology. I’m no more fond of the modern D party than anyone, but it beats the alternative.
I would tell the same to anyone who cares to not see a second Trump term regardless of ideology.
No you’re not. That’s the point. You aren’t lecturing moderates and liberals for refusing to make material compromises with leftists and progressives. You know as well as I do the only reason they’re voting for Biden is because he’s catered to them. Again, you are holding leftists and progressives to a different standard.
See, I won’t do that because these sort of ultimatums are counter productive to the larger goal. If liberal ideals are the end target then saying ‘give it now or let MAGA take over for all I care’ ends up putting everything that HAS been gained at risk to make a point. Letting the far right take control will inevitably move everyone and everything further away from the end goals making it that much more unlikely to make up that lost ground and make any progress in future administrations.
You’re blindly accepting ultimatums handed to us daily by moderate and liberals and then calling it out when we fight back. You’re trying to hold us to a different standard than liberal and moderate voters.
Again, this is a two way street. If moderates and liberals aren’t willing to make material compromises with us they are also putting “everything that has been gained at risk”.
What I accept is math, nothing more or less.
Take a basic presumption that things are near a 50/50 split but on the optimistic premise that Biden ends up with say 53% of the vote leaving 47%✓to Trump. Now this ‘movement’ comes along and convinces maybe 10% of those people to go some other direction because ‘Biden bad’ regardless of the issues with Trump.
You now get a 43/47/10 split, which given the nature of the electoral college actually ends up with a Trump landslide claiming the electors in multiple contested state.
Unless you are willing to say that Biden is at least as bad as or worse than Trump (in which case you may as well vote for Trump), or are convinced that you can get a near unanimous vote to go outside the nominated candidate for the Democrat party, then all your efforts does is support a Trump victory. Your personal morals being placated won’t do a thing to save Palestine, preserve rights for vulnerable populations, or anything else of consequence.
What this ends up as is essentially the ‘Bernie broes’ from 2016 who refused to support Clinton and helped get Trump a first term.
You just sailed over everything I called you out on: You are holding progressives and leftists to a different standard than moderates and liberals.
No, I’m simply reiterating the realities of today. The electoral college in all but 2 states as I last recalled awards all the state’s electors to whomever wins the simple majority in a state. If things where exactly 50/50 today and these protesting groups siphoned away votes specifically from Biden then you now hand Trump the state. It works the other way too.
Now if somehow these people siphoned an equal amount from both parties it becomes a wash and irrelevant, but since it’s a specifically anti-Biden effort that’s not likely the case.
Yes, but you’re only telling this to progressives and leftists despite having near zero input on policy while giving moderates and liberals a free pass while they enjoy full control of all policy decisions.
I would tell the same to anyone who cares to not see a second Trump term regardless of ideology. I’m no more fond of the modern D party than anyone, but it beats the alternative.
No you’re not. That’s the point. You aren’t lecturing moderates and liberals for refusing to make material compromises with leftists and progressives. You know as well as I do the only reason they’re voting for Biden is because he’s catered to them. Again, you are holding leftists and progressives to a different standard.