• @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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    678 months ago

    Red flag laws are unlikely to ever survive a constitutional challenge. It’s not a second ammendment issue, it’s a fifth ammendment issue.

    • BombOmOm
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      498 months ago

      Yeah, baring people from exercising rights who have been convicted of no crime is not only going to fail constitutional challenges, but is a very poor path to go down.

      • @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social
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        238 months ago

        Not to mention that even backing it in the first place is just going to give republican media more talking points to galvanize people against Biden/Harris in the 2024 election. Poorly thought out and poor timing. I’m personally in favor of stricter gun laws, but I don’t think this one has much chance of taking effect, so I’d rather they hold off until 2025 at least before trying to push it.

        • If there’s one thing that makes me put on the tinfoil hat for US politics, it’s how many self defeating takes that the Democrats trot out in election season.

          “Hey we need to win over at least some of the rural and suburban votes”

          “Hmmm… How about some gun control laws that the Supreme Court won’t even have to be bribed to overturn? Maybe with a little taste of police state?”

          • @lennybird@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            Democrats struggle between standing up for the right thing even though it’s unpopular, and doing the politically-great thing albeit with watered-down words and policy. Deciding between which depends on the zeitgeist.

            Truth is, something does need done about guns. We’re the laughing-stock of the industrialized world in this respect and for good reason. On the other hand, now probably isn’t the best time, considering how stacked the Supreme Court is. Better to pivot to universal healthcare and alleviating societal stress at every opportunity. Bernie’s 32 hour work week with no loss in pay is another good example.

    • @mlaga97@lemmy.mlaga97.space
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      188 months ago

      And if they somehow do, rest assured that red states will use it as an opportunity to disarm LGBT folk for being ‘violently mentally ill’ before the ink is dry on the decision.

      • @some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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        88 months ago

        No, it’s worse than that. Constitutional sheriffs will simply refuse to enforce the laws with which they disagree. We have elected peace officers openly violating state and federal laws and they’re very outspoken about it.

    • @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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      28 months ago

      Red flag laws have already been on the books in various places throughout the country. Do you think the gun nuts just didn’t feel like challenging them with an auto-win case?

      The fact is, they’ve tried and been rejected.

      • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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        68 months ago

        They haven’t been tried at a federal level yet, which is all that really matters. It’s going to take time before a case makes it through the whole process.

        • @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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          08 months ago

          So this is one of those slam dunk legal arguments that only works in federal courts? And the gun nuts haven’t managed to get a single federal court to agree to it in all the years red flag laws have been active? Sure.

      • @JoBo@feddit.uk
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        18 months ago

        This center is intended to support those states with those laws, it’s not bringing in any new federal laws wrt gun control.