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Shopping for a laptop as a Linux user:

Screenshot from the Simpsons where Otto is talking to Marge and Homer standing next to a window in their house with a caption “Oh wow, windows!.. I don’t think I can afford this place.”

    • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      9 months ago

      Love their concept but I just can’t afford it. My problem isn’t finding a machine that works well with Linux. It’s finding a machine that I can afford. And the stupid windows fee for something I will immediately uninstall is a big deal to me.

      • @lud@lemm.ee
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        279 months ago

        I think most Lenovo and dell computers provide you with the option to go without an OS or something like Ubuntu.

        • Resol van Lemmy
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          89 months ago

          Ubuntu is basically the only Linux distro I’ve seen offered on most computers from most if the big manufacturers.

          Want something else? Install it yourself, or get a Slimbook or something similar to that.

      • The Hobbyist
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        129 months ago

        Have you considered second hand? I’m not talking second hand specifically for framework or other mentioned brands, but just in general.

        I feel it is not yet normalized to consider second hand for electronics, yet you can find quite some good deals. Not everything needs to be bought new, especially if you are price sensitive. One generation or 2 older hardware bought second hand can be better and cheaper than new.

        • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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          9 months ago

          Yes, I’m a huge fan of second hand as well, but this has to be a brand new laptop for external reasons.

          I’m in fact writing this from a 12 year old Thinkpad that I restored.

          • The Hobbyist
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            59 months ago

            What are your actual requirements? Are you looking for something specific?

            • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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              39 months ago

              Thanks for trying to help me out but in this situation the laptop must be new, sold through a retailer in my country that is on a specific list. I don’t think you can help me out with this one, there just aren’t any options that meet this demand that have no system or linux. They always come with windows preinstalled.

          • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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            19 months ago

            There are newer Thinkpads that can also be found second-hand. With NVME storage and newer CPUs. The Linux support for them has actually gotten better. Lenovo is still the best hardware for Linux out of all the old manufacturing brands.

        • @NightAuthor@lemmy.world
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          29 months ago

          I watched a YouTube video where this guy buys thinkpads that are “broken” and often they just need ram installed or something simple, and for a minor risk of buying a dud, he gets laptops for super cheap.

          • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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            29 months ago

            It’s what I used to do myself. I have had multiple thinkpads that I bought BIOS-locked and fixed that problem using a screwdriver and some good timing :D Amazing machines.

            But I am looking for something brand new, because of requirements that were not set by me.

      • @chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        Framework has their 11th gen Intel laptops right now as a barebones for $499 USD from B-stock, new components, if that interests you.

        Otherwise, Chromebooks that you can flash replacement coreboot are another good option.

        • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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          Unfortunately Framework doesn’t retail in my country and that’s the requirement. But that does sound very enticing, I’ll keep an eye on their B-stock. Thanks!

          As for the flashed chromebooks that sounds like a pretty cool weekend project but I need something with a little more power.

          • @chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            Important to remember that not all Chromebooks are created equal. There are some that have i5/i7s or Ryzen CPUs in them that will rival most laptops. I see $200-500 USD Chromebooks all the time with decent specs refurbed or clearance.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          49 months ago

          Is the 500usd for the full computer? I got confused before that some of the cheapest configurations didn’t have everything needed to make the computer, like RAM and storage.

          • @chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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            49 months ago

            It includes everything except RAM, Storage, and the USB C modular ports. With all of that you’re probably looking more like $575-600. They do, however, have 8GB of RAM for $15, cheap storage options, etc, so it’s a pretty good deal overall for such a repairable and upgradable laptop.

        • bitwolf
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          29 months ago

          When I bought a Dell XPS choosing to have Linux installed discounted 100$ from the purchase.

          That’s significant enough to buy a case or accessory.

            • Possibly linux
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              19 months ago

              Not really, most laptops lack upgradablity and you have no idea what state the battery is going to be in.

              • @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
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                09 months ago

                And a new computer wouldn’t have the same upgradeability issues? Batteries don’t normally degrade that quickly, at least not the ones in good computers.

                There’s plenty of 2-3 year old thinkpads or other business machines for nothing out there. Most are upgradeable, and even if they aren’t you can just look for one that meets your requirements.

                • Possibly linux
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                  19 months ago

                  You can get a laptop with a i3 or N series and it will have better battery life and thermals. If your taking about a [mini]pc that makes sense but buying a old device when there are new devices that aren’t to expensive doesn’t make sense.

                  • @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
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                    N series CPUs don’t even compete with a few gen old i5s. The N100 in my router is roughly scores 1000/1800 in geekbench (minus a few exceptions like this heavily overclocked one) while the i5-10240u in the Thinkpad T14 that I got a year ago for $200 scores about 1300/3000. N100 devices are surprisingly rare too. You’re much more likely to see the older n5105 which is horrendous and scores like half that.

                    12th gen i3s would actually give 10th gen i5s a run for their money, but you’re much more likely to see an i3 in a machine that’s liquid garbage, has poor cooling (and can’t sustain those speeds for long), and falls apart in a few years. We have a few of those machines at work and they SUCK. There’s a reason older Thinkpads are the laptops of nerds on a budget everywhere.

        • BreakDecks
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          29 months ago

          I have one, and it’s neat, but it just isn’t stable enough to be a daily driver. Used ThinkPads are the golden standard for cheap and friendly here.

          Early 2010’s MacBooks also make excellent Linux machines.

      • @Rooki@lemmy.world
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        149 months ago

        Every laptop manufacturers sell linux laptops they just dont know it.

        Framework is a bit different, it has direct support for their hardware drivers on many linux distros and endorses linux to be installed on their laptops.

        • @FoxBJK@midwest.social
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          159 months ago

          OP doesn’t want to pay the extra $120 for an OS he’s never gonna use. Yes everyone sells a Linux laptop but there’s a few companies that won’t charge you for Windows on top of that.

        • @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works
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          99 months ago

          Right . . . but Dell ship select models with Ubuntu preinstalled, these certified devices come with their OEM package which has support for their drivers, etc. and obvs by selling them with Linux, they are endorsing it on their select models of laptops as well.

            • wrath_of_grunge
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              29 months ago

              They’ve been doing it for a very long time now. I’m currently using a 2015 model, Dell Tablet. It has Linux support. Cost me about $250 (with a copy of W10 Pro), a few years back. I also got it with the hard shell keyboard dock, effectively making it a net book.

              It’s been a great device, but probably isn’t what OP is looking for.

        • bitwolf
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          19 months ago

          As does Dell, HP and Lenovo.

          I can speak for Dells excellent Linux support with LVFS support and a responsive support structure.

      • @TimeNaan@lemmy.worldOP
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        49 months ago

        Yes, but all the budget laptops from them I can find don’t have that option. Only a few select higher-end gaming models come with Linux.

    • @MajikalMonkey2000@lemmy.world
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      29 months ago

      Especially now that they’re selling refurbished models at a heavy discount, you can get into the Framework ecosystem pretty easily and upgrade the mainboard later.