• NoIWontPickaName
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    09 months ago

    Then you will continue to lap at their heels.

    Or, you can stand up and find your voice and fight with us against it

    • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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      39 months ago

      And how many people will the Republicans kill, disenfranchise, or otherwise dehumanize before somebody starts listening to my voice?

      I certainly couldn’t have that on my conscience.

      • NoIWontPickaName
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        09 months ago

        But you will if you guys continue to say fuck you to is.

        You guys are choosing to run that candidate with all the risk that takes.

        Why is it ALWAYS on us to give in to you guys?

        If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.

        • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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          09 months ago

          Why is it ALWAYS on us to give in to you guys?

          Again with the “you guys.” I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.

          Anyway, you don’t have to “give in.” We just have to recognize that the only party who has a ghost of a chance of (a) getting into office and (b) doing things we want is the one that put Biden on the slate.

          If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.

          I don’t have any more control over the DNC than you do, so stop acting like this is any more than a tantrum. You don’t need to convince me. You just need to find a way to deal with your anger that doesn’t result in the deaths of millions.

          • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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            19 months ago

            I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.

            Because you’re spending your time and energy lecturing leftists and progressives. Unless you can somehow show me that you’re spending more time lecturing moderates then your actions are full support for Democrat politicians regardless of what your actual beliefs are.

            • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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              09 months ago

              Also,

              you’re spending your time and energy lecturing leftists and progressives.

              I’m really not. I type quickly, and I’m here anyway. My time and energy goes into my family and my community, which is why I actually care about what happens in November in more than just the abstract.

              • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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                09 months ago

                Buddy. You are literally spending time arguing with us. I didn’t say you didn’t spend time with family or community. Just that you are here and putting time and effort arguing with us.

                If you aren’t spending a greater amount of time and energy lecturing moderates guess what? That’s where we get the idea you’re “all-in on Democrats”. Because you spend more time and energy defending them than criticizing them.

                • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                  19 months ago

                  Show me where I’ve defended a single democrat.

                  I’m not defending anyone. I’m trying to show you that your privileged stance has the potential to lead to some pretty dire outcomes.

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                    This whole discussion is you defending the state of things as just the way it is. You’re defending moderates for putting us in this position. You call me names but I’ve yet to see you show any kind of animosity towards moderates.

            • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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              09 months ago

              show me

              Bro, I’m not taking homework from you. I have no need to prove myself to you. You’re going to either need to trust me on this, or just shut up about it, because I’m not going to provide you audio recordings of me talking to my current neighbors or people back in my hometown, or my private text conversations with people who I grew up with, or my Facebook comment discussions with people I barely know. I don’t harangue people on Lemmy about leftism because most of the people on Lemmy are already predisposed to our side.

              Don’t mistake online life for the only part of real life.

              • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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                09 months ago

                You said

                I really don’t know where you get the idea that I’m all-in on Democrats somehow.

                I explained and explained how you could debunk that idea. I never suggested you had to. But until you do your comments say you’re “all-in on Democrats”.

                I don’t harangue people on Lemmy about leftism because most of the people on Lemmy are already predisposed to our side.

                And yet you defend moderates at every turn. Buddy, you’re a moderate. You’re a full blown Democrat establishment supporter. If you really are on the side of leftists and progressives then fucking stop fighting with us.

                • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                  19 months ago

                  I’m not defending anyone. I couldn’t care less who wins; I just want the GOP to lose, and I know what has to happen for that outcome. I just want to prevent actual, literal carnage by showing you what your petulance is going to lead to.

                  • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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                    09 months ago

                    petulance

                    Now we’re getting somewhere. So we’ve established you believe I’m petulant because I’m resolved not to vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries. Now tell me how you describe moderates? Are they worse than petulant? Or do you have nothing but nice things to say about them?

    • @laverabe@lemmy.world
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      19 months ago

      Stand up in the primaries, we’re in the general election now. This is the only strategy that works with FPTP.

      The 6 months before the general election is the only period when you don’t want to create division. That gives you 3 years and 6 months for critical discussion which is fairly reasonable.

      • @go_go_gadget@lemmy.world
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        Stand up in the primaries

        We did. There were a wide range of leftist and progressive candidates to chose from. Moderates said “none of those we choose this old guy who’s gonna block strikes, force federal workers back into the office and supply weapons to Israel.”