No, we are voting against democrats because they continue to supply weaponry, ammunition, and a fucking carrier strike group to protect Israel from its own decisions.
If they want to massacre thousands of innocent children, let them do it on their own and take whatever fucking backlash they get.
They have no problems doing any of this as long as we are protecting them, let the chickens come home to roost on them
There’s a third alternative for those who won’t vote for Biden, but don’t support Republicans. Primary. Essentially, picking democratic candidates that aren’t endorsed by AIPAC on the downballot. We do have people like AOC, and Sanders whom that are against Israel, and Hamas.
That’s more reasonable than voting against Democrats.
As far as consequences goes, Israel has been facing the prospect of decreased international support, but that will take a decade at best for it to be significant. Gen Z and Millennials don’t really have good feelings toward Israel after their actions within war, and Israelis know it. It’s on Israel to change policy along with a trial toward settlers and people that supports Netanyahu, and if they want them back, that’s the only way to do it, otherwise, I don’t see Israel having the longevity to avoid that.
He’s a Independent that caucus with the Democratic Party. But, my point is that there’s two wings of the Democratic Party. It’s the Bernie wing of the Democratic Party that is to be supported mainly. That wing won’t be a relevant party if it was a third party, the GOP needs to die before that can happen.
If the party is shoving us to the side and only paying lip service to us and carting us out when it is time to vote, then are we really part of the party at all?
The thing is even intraparty feuds are resolved via compromises to minority wing. So yes, AOC wing of the Democratic Party do have some level of influences toward the Democratic Party.
Primary election is not the same thing as the general election. And the downballot is what I’m talking about, which is why Cornel West or Jill Stein isn’t even part of it. So, people who can’t be willing to vote for Biden, can vote for people in the downballot.
You don’t think that the alternative is worse? You don’t think that Republicans will supply double the aid to Israel and half the aid to Ukraine?
It’s a privileged position to be able to say “I want to wash my hands of the whole thing.” People executing that privilege in 2016 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2004 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2000 got us to where we are today. How well do you think it’s going to work out for you this year?
lol. “You people,” as if there’s less in common between you and me than there is between me and Democratic party leadership. What a joke.
Run a candidate worth a damn or let the country get another bitch slap to the face like 2016.
That’s a weird way to say literal murder gangs and secret police. And that’s not theoretical or fearmongering, Trump has actually said he would do that. There are MAGA groups drawing up plans right now.
Not to mention the article you’re commenting on right this very moment, where a Republican is openly advocating for killing brown people. Yes, Biden’s response to Gaza has been tepid at best. But the other option is currently saying, out loud and to the news, “turn Gaza into glass, baby! Let it burn!”
This isn’t a situation where we come out of the other side embarrassed. This is life and death for millions, and the fact that you can petulantly fold your arms and say “no!” is choosing neutrality.
So I should bend the knee
No! You should fight for what you want to see in the world, which includes allowing for the reality that slowing down the speeding train is still helpful for the people on the tracks, even if the better option would be to get them off of the tracks. Then primary someone who won’t leave the people tied to the tracks.
As long as we don’t have ranked choice voting, this is the option we have: at each ballot box, we vote to do the least harm, and then we hold the people we voted for to account, with the threat that otherwise we’ll primary them next time.
Yes it sucks. But every person in Gaza, every person in Ukraine, every woman and immigrant and homeless person and person without medical insurance and trans person and gay person and child in a classroom across this country–every single one of them, if they know the stakes, is terrified of the Republican regime that would make their lives living hells at best and eternal fascist rule at second best.
And they (and I) are terrified that there is no “next time” or “wise up” after a Trump win because they’ve banned any news that doesn’t kiss the ring, or they’ve canceled elections, or they’ve forcibly disbanded any party that isn’t the GOP.
You want me to believe that the principled decision, the moral decision, the ethical decision is to allow those millions of people to see their worst nightmare come true, just because 262 Democrats in Washington aren’t listening to your voice enough?
If you’ve made your peace with that, fine. But don’t try to tell me that allowing that carnage is more righteous.
No, we are voting against democrats because they continue to supply weaponry, ammunition, and a fucking carrier strike group to protect Israel from its own decisions.
If they want to massacre thousands of innocent children, let them do it on their own and take whatever fucking backlash they get.
They have no problems doing any of this as long as we are protecting them, let the chickens come home to roost on them
There’s a third alternative for those who won’t vote for Biden, but don’t support Republicans. Primary. Essentially, picking democratic candidates that aren’t endorsed by AIPAC on the downballot. We do have people like AOC, and Sanders whom that are against Israel, and Hamas.
That’s more reasonable than voting against Democrats.
As far as consequences goes, Israel has been facing the prospect of decreased international support, but that will take a decade at best for it to be significant. Gen Z and Millennials don’t really have good feelings toward Israel after their actions within war, and Israelis know it. It’s on Israel to change policy along with a trial toward settlers and people that supports Netanyahu, and if they want them back, that’s the only way to do it, otherwise, I don’t see Israel having the longevity to avoid that.
I went independent already.
The democrats are supporting too many conservative views for me.
The republicans are too far right.
The commies are too far left.
Although typing this out just now made non-binary people finally click in my head.
Questions.
Which democrats are conservative? Is Bernie/AOC a conservative? Are they a commie? There’s a portion of the democratic party that aren’t centrists.
Republicans are definitely too far-right.
Sanders is only a democrats because they forced him to be to run for president.
But right about there
He’s a Independent that caucus with the Democratic Party. But, my point is that there’s two wings of the Democratic Party. It’s the Bernie wing of the Democratic Party that is to be supported mainly. That wing won’t be a relevant party if it was a third party, the GOP needs to die before that can happen.
If the party is shoving us to the side and only paying lip service to us and carting us out when it is time to vote, then are we really part of the party at all?
The thing is even intraparty feuds are resolved via compromises to minority wing. So yes, AOC wing of the Democratic Party do have some level of influences toward the Democratic Party.
>There’s a third alternative for those who won’t vote for Biden, but don’t support Republicans. Primary.
nah. i’m just going to vote for someone i want to win in the general like cornel west or jill stein.
Primary election is not the same thing as the general election. And the downballot is what I’m talking about, which is why Cornel West or Jill Stein isn’t even part of it. So, people who can’t be willing to vote for Biden, can vote for people in the downballot.
can you read? i said what i said.
Can you explain how is Jill Stein or Cornell West relevant to the downballot choice?
You don’t think that the alternative is worse? You don’t think that Republicans will supply double the aid to Israel and half the aid to Ukraine?
It’s a privileged position to be able to say “I want to wash my hands of the whole thing.” People executing that privilege in 2016 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2004 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2000 got us to where we are today. How well do you think it’s going to work out for you this year?
So I should bend the knee and just let you people ignore me and what I want and stand for?
I have compromised over and over and you people never, EVER, hold up your part of the deal.
I am DONE!
Run a candidate worth a damn or let the country get another bitch slap to the face like 2016.
Maybe everyone will wise up after that, until then enjoy your fucking president with a hardon for killing brown people
lol. “You people,” as if there’s less in common between you and me than there is between me and Democratic party leadership. What a joke.
That’s a weird way to say literal murder gangs and secret police. And that’s not theoretical or fearmongering, Trump has actually said he would do that. There are MAGA groups drawing up plans right now.
Not to mention the article you’re commenting on right this very moment, where a Republican is openly advocating for killing brown people. Yes, Biden’s response to Gaza has been tepid at best. But the other option is currently saying, out loud and to the news, “turn Gaza into glass, baby! Let it burn!”
This isn’t a situation where we come out of the other side embarrassed. This is life and death for millions, and the fact that you can petulantly fold your arms and say “no!” is choosing neutrality.
No! You should fight for what you want to see in the world, which includes allowing for the reality that slowing down the speeding train is still helpful for the people on the tracks, even if the better option would be to get them off of the tracks. Then primary someone who won’t leave the people tied to the tracks.
As long as we don’t have ranked choice voting, this is the option we have: at each ballot box, we vote to do the least harm, and then we hold the people we voted for to account, with the threat that otherwise we’ll primary them next time.
Yes it sucks. But every person in Gaza, every person in Ukraine, every woman and immigrant and homeless person and person without medical insurance and trans person and gay person and child in a classroom across this country–every single one of them, if they know the stakes, is terrified of the Republican regime that would make their lives living hells at best and eternal fascist rule at second best.
And they (and I) are terrified that there is no “next time” or “wise up” after a Trump win because they’ve banned any news that doesn’t kiss the ring, or they’ve canceled elections, or they’ve forcibly disbanded any party that isn’t the GOP.
You want me to believe that the principled decision, the moral decision, the ethical decision is to allow those millions of people to see their worst nightmare come true, just because 262 Democrats in Washington aren’t listening to your voice enough?
If you’ve made your peace with that, fine. But don’t try to tell me that allowing that carnage is more righteous.
Yet knowing all of that, you guys are still choosing to support Biden.
You do you homie, maybe eventually the left will actually move left if you keep voting for them no matter how right wing they go.
Where have I said a single word of support for Biden? I’m in this solely to defeat Trump.