• Flying SquidM
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    1411 months ago

    There are lots of American cities with large open-air commercial areas which are car-free.

    For example, the Santa Monica Third Street Promenade.

    Which has a farmer’s market.

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      11 months ago

      Oh I’ve been to New York and the Wash DC Smithsonian, likely the two best public transit systems in the USA. BART in San Fran also is fine but could be better.

      But I’ve also gone to Madrid, Tokyo and some other cities around the world. There’s no comparison. Best in the USA is closer to average of Europe, while average of USA is pretty bad public transit wise.

      Ex: I’ve also gone to big cities like Nashville, Manilla Philippines, Los Angeles where things are closer to bus-only and the local traffic suffers greatly as a result. The general expectation in the USA is that ‘public transit is for the underclass’. In contrast, you do see rich people take Wash DC metro, NYC, and especially Tokyo’s subway. And it makes a difference when both rich and poor take the same system.

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        -211 months ago

        And yet plenty of American cities still have large, car-free areas.

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          But all USA cities are car-first designed. As opposed to European model where cars are actively being de-prioritized on a city level.

          Except like, New York City. One place in USA where walking works extremely well across the whole of Manhattan. But further out is less good transit, but the central island is well made.

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            111 months ago

            Moreso cities on the west coast are more car centric. East coast cities predate cars by quite a bit. Sure many east coast cities modified themselves to accommodate cars, but their layout originally was suited for walking and horse travel.

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      1311 months ago

      “Lots” of American cities seems like an exaggeration.

      Some American cities have certain areas which are car-free.

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          11 months ago

          Wasn’t Paris’s speed limit set to like 15mph?

          Multiple cities in Europe are becoming ‘Walking First’ cities where cars are effectively 2nd class.

          Car free? No. But cars are being de-prioritized extremely these days.

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          Not car free but i can definitely tell you there is possibility to walk, public transit in MOST of EU cities. Starting from Scandinavia, almost any city with pop , 10k or more will have generally bus transport, and probable connectivity to nearest big city by train/bus, big cities have metro (Stockholm) that I know of Germany has vast network of rail(although it’s schisse at moment with DB) , within cities its bus , that I know of . France almost any big city will have bus, tram and/or metro and long distance trains Same for spains cities , Netherlands is famous for its Public transport This is from what I know

          Cars are severely slow and given less prio in these countries, in any of big city e.g. Barcelona, Paris, Hague, you can see you can go faster by public transportation or almost same time as car for same destinations , check it out in Google maps with comparisons

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            11 months ago

            Spain has 195mph trains as well connecting huge swaths of the country. I fortunately was able to experience this.

            The American concept of a “road trip” is just not the same in Europe. The Trains are far faster than your car would ever go. No reason to putter around at 80mph on a fast American highway when Europe just has faster modes of transit.

            Long distance? Train. Short-distance? Train and/or bus. Its really easy over there, but difficult in America.


            That being said: American Freight Rail moves way more than Europe Freight ever does. One of the problems here in the USA is that freight is the priority, and freight just doesn’t need to be as fast as Passenger traffic. We kind of need to build a 2nd, separate rail system, to get anything like the Europeans have.