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Thousands of unionized Starbucks workers will walk off their jobs on Thursday, with the one-day work stoppages coming to protest the company’s stance with shops that voted to organize, according to Starbucks Workers United.
The labor action is timed to for Starbucks’ Red Cup Day, an annual event in which the coffee giant hands out holiday-themed reusable cups. Starbucks has refused to negotiate in good faith over staffing and other issues that are particularly acute during promotions, according to the union.
“Starbucks is creating unnecessarily stressful working conditions by scheduling promotion after promotion without increasing staffing,” Neha Cremin, a Starbucks worker in Oklahoma City, said in a statement to CBS MoneyWatch. “Starbucks has made it clear that they won’t listen to workers, so we’re advocating for ourselves by going on strike.”
I haven’t bought anything at a Starbucks in several years so, I’m doing my part 👍
Make your coffee at home folks, it ain’t hard.
Or support a local Cafe that treats their workers right. Can be hard to find, but they do exist.
I’ll support them if they give me a better deal, lol.
I always find it funny how local places are like “yeah buy local buy local, it’s so important. No, it’s not important enough for us to give you a better deal.”
I hear ya on that. My philosophy is that if I’m going out for coffee I’ll pay for a good one from a local Cafe. Most mornings I’ll make it at home to compensate for the cost.
Things are generally cheaper when you buy more of them. It’s true that once you pass a certain threshold this isn’t as significant, but that threshold can be pretty high.
Then you get into things like commodities trading (eg buying and maybe even selling futures), which is something Starbucks engages in. It would be very hard for a small shop to participate in commodities trading (barriers of entry due to size, time in the day, etc), let alone do it well.
There’s also a bunch of little things that ar a “do it once for all stores” or “do it once for a single store”. At a mom and pop that usually means that they won’t be able to do it as well as a bigger store because of time and resource constraints.
Starbucks can essentially engage in a perverted form of collective bargaining, where because their demand is so high, they can make suppliers cut deep, deep into their margins and fight for a chance to secure a contract with Starbucks. Even if they aren’t a monopoly, they’re big enough that they can throw their weight around, especially in “foreign markets” with already depressed wages.
The point is that they can’t afford to shaft anyone because they’re local (ie your goddamn neighbours), so yes, you end up paying closer to the true price for your cup of coffee. Increase that even more if they ensure their produce is certified and actually equitably sourced.
Big franchises screw over others because they can afford to scale to such a degree that no one can compete with their margins and cost savings from vertical integrations.
The coffee is better than Starbucks at small cafes because they don’t burn the beans. Starbucks literally over roasts their beans so they all taste the same. Also it lasts longer on the shelf.
Good coffee doesn’t need to “last longer” because you’re going to drink it fast.
I actually like their coffee, but I’m never buying it because they’re a stain on the globe.
There are worse companies, but they’re bad enough to boycott forever.
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Yeah. If small businesses want to compete, they have to do better than “we’re a small business but we still charge you the same price or more.”
Fuck that, lol. If they care so much, why can’t they take the hit? Why does it always have the be the customer? Lol.
I would imagine economies of scale comes into it heavily. Smaller, independent cafes cannot get nearly the same low costs as huge corporations. They could easily be paying two, three times the price for supplies and don’t have the financial cushions to eat losses.
I’m glad I found someone who is knowledgeable about this.
How much does coffee supplies cost local cafes vs. big chains? Do you have exact figures?
Starbucks doesn’t publish their bulk prices for obvious reasons, unfortunately. You can find people making guesses online (such as this guy) but for instance he uses Costco bulk coffee prices to calculate and I highly doubt Starbucks is paying that much. Your average small independent cafe is going to be getting their supplies from generic wholesale stores and sites, where you can view prices for cups and things. Hell, I know some places that legit just buy their milk for their cafe at places like Aldi. So they’re paying consumer prices for milk versus the bulk discount a mega corp would get.
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Thanks for the useful information. I wonder if we can find how much Starbucks pays because they’re publicly traded and the amount of money they spent on product should be available to investors.
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Of course I do. Do you? Lol.
Most businesses try to maximize profit. This intrinsically involves giving people the least they’re willing to accept while charging them the most they’re willing to pay.
If the ‘local’ option doesn’t give me a better deal than the big chains, I’m gonna go with the big chains. If they care so much about providing their service to their community, then they can make less profit. But they won’t because, like most businesses, their goal is to maximize profit.
I eagerly await for you to tell me why everything I just said was wrong, lol.
I’m not the one you responded to, but here are a few notes.
Larger stores generally have higher profit margins for the same priced item because they can negotiate lower prices with distributors. So if we’re talking about coffee shops, the flavorings, machines, etc will all be way more expensive for smaller shops.
Larger shops also have a higher throughout per employee, so they also get more total sales, which means they can offer lower prices for the same amount of profit. So if they get competition, they can usually cut prices to bring customers back in, at least until the competition is forced to raise prices again to stay afloat.
So smaller shops rarely compete on price, they generally try to compete on quality, either on service, products, or both. So if you value either of those more than price, you’ll probably get a better deal at a local shop. But if price is your main issue, it’s unlikely to happen because the economies of scale just don’t work like that.
Thankfully I found someone knowledgeable about this.
What are the exact numbers for how much more expensive coffee supplies is for small shops vs. big chains? You can just give an average because it probably varies from place to place.
Heh, a great way to do a service to the community then would be to open local coffee shops just to force big chains to lower their prices. But they won’t do that, lol.
In my experience, local coffee shops have been identical in quality to big chains. The only difference would be the run-down atmosphere a lot of them like to employ.
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That’ll surely fix it. As soon as I start making coffee at home, the several Starbucks near me will no longer have a line out the door that they don’t have enough staff to keep up with.
Vote with your wallet like it’s your ballot. Is it gonna be the society-shattering vote? No. Is it a step on a marathon to make society a better place? Yep
It won’t fix it. But no particular snowflake causes an avalanche.
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I agree, but…
Putting out personal boycotts as the only solution is ineffective. I do support that in general, his comment just came across to me as one of those “I wasn’t buying X anyway. Personal boycott!”. Maybe it wasn’t intended that way.
Also, boycotting Starbucks that have unionized is counterproductive. Boycotting ones that haven’t makes sense.
The unions are a pain in Starbucks’ ass. They will take your money you’ve spent at the unionized Starbucks and use it for union-busting strategies, guaranteed.
Would you buy eggs from a farmer that kicks their chickens because everyone else is doing it?
Considering how the majority of chickens are actually treated, I’m not sure you’re going to get the answer you’re hoping for.