• darq
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    91 year ago

    Why do you assume that liberals just want to maintain the status quo

    Lived experience.

    And like… Talking to liberals? Having conversations with people. Where whenever we discuss politics, any systemic change is always framed as too radical.

    Think about climate change. Think about how many liberals view this as an issue where the solution is… More people buying electric cars. Rather than rethinking cities and infrastructure to allow for more pedestrians, bicycles, and public transport. Or where instead of regulating industries causing the most damage, the solutions is… To rely on consumers, who are already overwhelmed by information in advertising and often low on disposable income, to “make better purchasing decisions” to make the companies change by voting with their wallets. Where the fault for climate change isn’t the fact that our economies incentivise the destruction of the environment, but that people just aren’t recycling enough.

    The system is always found faultless, it’s always the individual to blame. Any actual systemic solution is dismissed, precisely because changing the systems we live under is considered radical.

    Some liberals might, ostensibly, say they want things to change for the better. But in practice, they tend to oppose any measure to actually achieve that change.

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        91 year ago

        I will say that most liberals are definitely not opposed to measures to combat climate change, it’s just that those measures need to be sensible and realistic and most importantly costed.

        Please actually read what I’m writing. Because this is fully consistent with what I’m describing.

        Liberals often support change in abstract, they like the goals. But then oppose any measures to accomplish it because those measures are not “sensible” to them.

        Good intentions can have bad outcomes, this is absolutely what many don’t understand.

        Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. We don’t think you’re correct, that doesn’t mean that we don’t understand.

        Y’all are always so condescending.

              • darq
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                11 year ago

                Oh piss right off. You ignore what I write and started ranting at me about entirely unrelated nonsense. And this entire conversation has been weirdly accusatory. I engaged with you honestly, but you clearly have a chip on your shoulder about leftists.

                Which of course tracks 100% with my previous experience.

                Insufferable, self-aggrandizing tool.

                  • darq
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                    11 year ago

                    You stated it with the ad hominem attacks and the nastiness

                    Where? The harshest thing I said was asking you to actually read my comments.

                    And I’m going to do it again here because you seem to just be making up things that I haven’t written.

                    just because of what you assumed I believed rather than actually what I believe.

                    Buddy I do not want to hear that from you, after you just spat a rant at me about what leftists apparently believe.

                    This is what I mean, discourse is dead.

                    The discourse is dead because you aren’t reading what is written before responding.

                    I got dog piled for saying I’m less leftist than when I was younger, which is a cardinal sin in threads like this.

                    Criticism isn’t dogpiling. And exactly what did you expect? You responded to me in the first place with a message implying that leftists lack nuance and pragmatism.

                    The hell did you want? A pat on the back and a cookie? You picked an argument and you found it.

                    Because people see things in black and white they think you’re basically Trump if you say something like that.

                    Why is every message of yours an accusation of a lack of critical reasoning. Like buddy, people disagree with you. It doesn’t mean we’re incapable of critical thinking.

                    Maybe you should step out of your echo chamber and consider perspectives other than your own for once.