The reason I brought this up because my impression reading @saltsec’s message is that he’s trying to identify propaganda and lower it’s influence on his opinion. And you bring up entirely another axis comparing different propaganda’s and relaying pro-western talking points about the two. The fact that you thought it was important to bring here and encourage this person to trust one propaganda more than other is quite a bad sign.
And you bring up entirely another axis comparing different propaganda’s and relaying pro-western talking points about the two.
I did this because he brought it up as an example and said they were equal in what they were doing. They are not. That’s why I brought it up. If he seeing propaganda from both sides as equal, that is an indicator you have fallen victim to the propaganda.
The fact that you thought it was important to bring here and encourage this person to trust one propaganda more than other is quite a bad sign.
The fact that I call out Russia as a known liar that uses its propaganda to hurt people, whereas Ukraine uses it in an entirely separate way, to gain support, that’s a bad sign? I would say viewing all propaganda as equal is a bad sign. Propaganda comes in many forms, from encouraging people to sign up for the military, to saying the people you are fighting are Nazis and not real people, which does damage.
Like I said to him, the context and content of propaganda are just as important as the fact it is propaganda. Only looking at it as an “it is or isn’t” black-and-white mindset ignores all nuance and isn’t a way to have a proper discussion around it.
You might want to look at US/UA propaganda again, but critically. It seems like you’ve got severely affected by it.
Maybe. Or maybe I haven’t at all and instead you have, so that’s why you feel that way.
The reason I brought this up because my impression reading @saltsec’s message is that he’s trying to identify propaganda and lower it’s influence on his opinion. And you bring up entirely another axis comparing different propaganda’s and relaying pro-western talking points about the two. The fact that you thought it was important to bring here and encourage this person to trust one propaganda more than other is quite a bad sign.
I did this because he brought it up as an example and said they were equal in what they were doing. They are not. That’s why I brought it up. If he seeing propaganda from both sides as equal, that is an indicator you have fallen victim to the propaganda.
The fact that I call out Russia as a known liar that uses its propaganda to hurt people, whereas Ukraine uses it in an entirely separate way, to gain support, that’s a bad sign? I would say viewing all propaganda as equal is a bad sign. Propaganda comes in many forms, from encouraging people to sign up for the military, to saying the people you are fighting are Nazis and not real people, which does damage.
Like I said to him, the context and content of propaganda are just as important as the fact it is propaganda. Only looking at it as an “it is or isn’t” black-and-white mindset ignores all nuance and isn’t a way to have a proper discussion around it.