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        why should I give one shit about what russians goals where at the start of the war, the reality is its a meat grinder and the location of said meat grinder requires ukraine to move through it to advance, russia are setting the terms of this conflict and are in control.

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          -11 year ago

          Why have you gave one shit indeed, its not like that was the whole reason to invade or anything.

          According to the stated russian objectives they have already lost this conflict, time will tell if Ukraine also looses.

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            I dont care about either sides goals because im not naive enough to buy into military propoganda, which the goals are.

            During a war nothing either side says matters, you fatally misunderstand what happens to the media when a war breaks out, it just becomes another instrument of war, and as such nothing can be trusted but the satalite footage of where the war is and boots on the ground reports of people there, everything else is bullshit.

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              -11 year ago

              Ok please enlighten me on the winning condition for russia to end this conflict in their favour. No need for “military propoganda” just how does this end in your mind?

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                  Ok, so what does that entail? I don’t think you can just jump on TV and call peace. Ukraine has stated many times that they will not agree to any peace deal without the boarders going back to 2014, russia has stated that will not fly.

                  Even if you assume its a full on meat grinder for both sides, how does russia win in this situation? They claimed this military operation was to de-milliteraze Ukraine, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to put a stop to NATO expansion, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to protect the Donbas people, now they are the group who has suffered the largest casualties in this conflict. They claimed this military operation was to ensure the russian people prosperity and security, the opposite has happened.

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                    151 year ago

                    what it entails are the borders freezing and everyone getting bored of sending 17 year olds through minefields

                    east ukraine will never be part of ukraine again, do you really think there is a going back now over a million people have died?