• @[email protected]
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    911 months ago

    There is overlap especially when you don’t confuse communism as the broader framework with state communism or even worse soviet communism.

        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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          911 months ago

          That is the thing though, until you abolish class contradictions states are the most effective way of protecting the revolution and suppressing the bourgeoisie. So authority does equal self defense in a real, meaningful way.

          • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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            111 months ago

            No, since states can get couped. The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

            • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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              111 months ago

              The most effective way of protecting the revolution is gathering the masses which can happen without the state, indeed, it has happened multiple time throughout history.

              Could you point to examples?

              • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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                111 months ago

                Anarchists in civil war in spain (until some of them decided to fuck off), I would say the makhnovshchina defended itself pretty well with the scarce resources they had, greek anarchists with their decades old squats, bolivian grassroots movements who helped Evo Morales get in power in Bolivia, etc.

        • @[email protected]
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          311 months ago

          And the fact that Engels wrote it proves that there were people in the movement even in those early days who disagreed.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      1611 months ago

      I have an idea of what a state is, but what’s a “soviet”? That’s not an English word.

      What does “soviet” mean in Russian?