• @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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        The reality of living in this country is a factor. Not everyone is in a position financially to quit their job and probably blacklisted from their industry.

        We do not have an adequate social safety net in this country. To be able to make principled stands without having to worry about your future prospects, you’d have to be independently wealthy, like the fuckers doing this shit. And that’s entirely by design with the policies they’ve made happen over the last 60+ years. Over a quarter of this country lives paycheck to paycheck now, that will include a lot of federal employees.

        • @pyrflie@lemm.ee
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          This just means you don’t stand for anything but your address.

          I’m finding I have even less support and sympathy for those in DC than I thought. They need hardship.

          • @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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            2812 hours ago

            Ah, so a couple questions to see if you’re just a fucking idiot that thinks idealism can be reality, or if you’re even relevant to the conversation.

            1. Are you American or otherwise working in the United States currently?
            2. If so, how long would you be able to survive if you were to be fired or quit and not be able to work in your same industry? Meaning you would be starting off in an entry level role probably in unskilled labor, because most government workers aren’t in charge, they’re working desk jobs to make things function or doing some sort of inspection work, neither of which usually need college educations.
            3. If you’re not American, your opinion on this honestly means very little here since you do not have experience with working in the US.
            • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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              If you’re not American, your opinion on this honestly means very little here since you do not have experience with working in the US

              Former J1+H1 counterexample right here.

              • @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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                711 hours ago

                I shortened the last sentence. The 1st point literally covers that type of scenario.

                But that’s cool. Taking things out of context on purpose to manufacture a point is literally what the internet does best.

            • @pyrflie@lemm.ee
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              1. American
              2. If fired could live for a while, would probably lose home. Have lived homeless.
              3. N/A

              These are people choosing their home over their principles.

                  • Ms. ArmoredThirteen
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                    Politely, wtf is wrong with you? You actually think risking homelessness with kids is the better option?

                  • @stoly@lemmy.world
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                    111 hours ago

                    They don’t know the people you are conversing with. You’re creating some strange narrative in your own brain and projecting it against the world.

              • @MagicShel@lemmy.zip
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                Do you have a family? Kids? Anyone you are responsible for? Would you be so flippant about making them homeless?

              • @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
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                1112 hours ago

                These are people choosing their home over their principles.

                Okay you’re one of those people. This conversation is pointless. Have a good day.

      • @TheFogan@programming.dev
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        810 hours ago

        So you only stand for something if you get unemployment?

        WTF Indeed, yes it’s more impressive to stand for something if you are willing to sacrifice your whole life, be willing to live on the streets etc…

        Fact is there’s not that many people that can do that. There’s no safety nets in this country, losing your job isn’t just the possibility of having to move to a smaller house, it’s the possibility of begging friends and family to stay with them, as the bottom rung of employment isn’t even enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment, and that’s of course assuming only you are the one to pay that price, IE wife, kids who need college etc…

        Godwin time here, as much as everyone wants to say they’d be the person who hid jews in their attic in ww2, reality is while you can applaud those who did, you can’t really look down on those who didn’t. The risks of completely ruining not just your own life, but the lives of those who you care the most about, to save complete strangers, is not a decision that is ever a given for anyone to make.

      • @stoly@lemmy.world
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        511 hours ago

        What even is your point here? My reading: “Ooh look how tough you are, see how you feel when you lose your job!”