@ernest how do I report a Magazin on kbin.social ? There is a usere called “ps” who is posting to his own “antiwoke” Magazin on kbin.social. Please remove this and dont give them a chance to etablish them self on kbin.social. When I report his stuff it will go to him because he is the moderator of the magazin? Seems like a problem. Screenshot of the “antiwoke” Magazin /sub on kbin.social. 4 Headlines are visible, 2 exampels: “Time to reject the extrem trans lobby harming our society” “How to end wokeness” #Moderation #kbin #kbin.social 📎

edit: dont feed the troll, im shure ernest will delet them all when he sees this. report and move on.

Edit 2 : Ernest responded:
“I just need a little more time. There will likely be a technical break announced tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Along with the migration to new servers, we will be introducing new moderation tools that I am currently working on and testing (I had it planned for a bit later in my roadmap). Then, I will address your reports and handle them very seriously. I try my best to delete sensitive content, but with the current workload and ongoing relocation, it takes a lot of time. I am being extra cautious now. The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly. For now, please make use of the option to block the magazine/author.”

  • ernest
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    I just need a little more time. There will likely be a technical break announced tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Along with the migration to new servers, we will be introducing new moderation tools that I am currently working on and testing (I had it planned for a bit later in my roadmap). Then, I will address your reports and handle them very seriously. I try my best to delete sensitive content, but with the current workload and ongoing relocation, it takes a lot of time. I am being extra cautious now. The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly. For now, please make use of the option to block the magazine/author.

    • NokiOP
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      thank you!

      I appreciate all you do and your quick respond.

      Multipile Things I noticed as a creater of this thread:
      can I close comments ?
      can I hide comments ?
      can I pin a response?
      can I quickly see from what server peope are interacting?

      I am no coder but would love to support you with all the work that is done.

      At least some of the costs can be taken of your shoulders:

      https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin

      Edit: Can you close this thread for me ?

      • ernest
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        All the things you mentioned are in the roadmap. However, we can either do it quickly and potentially encounter issues in a few weeks or months, or take a bit more time for a more thorough approach. I’ve decided to move away from playful prototyping. From now on, every change will be tested before it’s approved for kbin.social - it’s no longer just my code (https://lab2.kbin.pub/). I’d like to close this thread for you… but can we just agree not to respond in it anymore? ;p

        • Hobovision
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          I don’t think closing threads is a great idea or in keeping with how this all works. I think it’d be nice to be able to mute a thread as an individual, but by its nature these discussions are open and shared with many instances. If we close it on kbin.social, other kbin instances, lemmy instances, and even places like mastodon and pixelfed could keep discussing, if I understand activity pub correctly.

          • @Snapz@beehaw.org
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            Let’s all agree that of its many issues, locking/deleting open threats to targeted minority groups and pro supremacist propaganda meant to hurt or influence vulnerable people was NOT a drawback of the Reddit experience.

            Yes, it’s a difficult thing to enforce a subjective line of a basic standard of decency, but it’s also what a society is and one of the main reasons we gather as people. The quality of a group is shown in how they accommodate the weakest and most vulnerable among them.

            If we aren’t prioritizing a way to send this CHUD and people liked them to the hypothetical edge of town, to be sure they can’t bombard the young person struggling with their gender identity with targeted hate at their weakest moment, then what are we doing here?

          • ernest
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            In such important tasks, I would like to engage in community-driven development. When I start planning these tasks, I will come to you with my whiteboard and sketch out the individual stages. Together, we will look for the advantages and disadvantages of such a solution, the weak and strong points. This is to jointly make a decision on whether the change makes sense on kbin.social but also in the perspective of the entire federation. It can be a great fun ;)

            • wahming
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              It’s a bad attitude to tell an unapologetic transphobe to get lost?

              Edit: In case you didn’t realise, that’s the user this entire post is complaining about.

        • poo
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          Kindly go spread your nazi bullshit somewhere else, thanks buck.

    • Infiltrated_ad8271
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      Could you clarify what you would do in cases like this? Censor based on misinterpretation of the clickbait headline, even if it does not contain hate content at all?

    • LoafyLemon
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      A friendly reminder; Please don’t forget to take your time and step away from Kbin whenever you need a break. Your mental health is just as important, if not most important, for the project to succeed.

      • albinanigans
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        You are correct.

        I’m bookmarking this page to return to later. Time to pull up some weeds!

    • KTVX94
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      I joined kbin recently and I’m kind of concerned about the implications of this. I don’t support those posts at all, but who gets to say what’s worth banning and what not? Wouldn’t that go against the decentralized nature of the site? Or is it the specific instance that magazine is on that has the authority to ban what’s inside? How does all of this work?

      Edit: my bad, I got kbin and kbin.social mixed up. Noob mistake.

      • livus
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        Remember, kbin.social is just one instance of kbin. Ernest banning something on kbin.social does not mean banning it from the fediverse.

        It could pop up on another fediverse site or even another kbin site.

      • lazy
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        @KTVX94

        While I kind of agree with you in being concerned about who gets to control what we see and don’t see and the censorship aspect, there is also “the paradox of tolerance” to be considered and maybe in that light it is correct to not tolerate that subs intolerance.

        Regarding the Paradox of Tolerance:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

      • updawg
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        It actually is one of the strengths of the decentralized nature of the Fediverse. But there are still growing pains associated with it.

      • harmonea
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        Wouldn’t that go against the decentralized nature of the site?

        No, it’s exactly the opposite. The entire point of a decentralized federation is that while yes, the admin is in complete control of what content is allowed on his or her own instance, users who don’t like what the admin is doing can just spin up their own new instances.

        Ernest can ban this type of content if he likes. Others can take the kbin software and make a new instance where it’s welcome. Ernest can choose not to federate with that instance if they continue to push content that’s against his rules, but Ernest doesn’t have the power to dictate the direction for hundreds of millions of users’ experience like a certain centralized site’s mad CEO or admin board does.

        What would be against the nature of ActivityPub is if Ernest built something into the software to prevent it being used for types of content he doesn’t like, even on other instances.

      • Kierunkowy74
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        kbin.social administration controls only what is published on kbin.social, and what content from elsewhere kbin.social users can see. An user banned from kbin.social can make another account, on another site and start recreate there his banned community. kbin.social will be able to ban this remote user and remote community, but this restricts only what kbin.social users can see.

        Exactly the same for another /kbin or lemmy site - just replace the domain name accordingly.

    • slicedcheesegremlin
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      Everyone appreciates your effort here, ernest. Spez hasn’t gotten 92 upvotes on a comment in years lmao despite Reddit having millions of users, it really shows how the difference.

    • HidingCat
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      Wow, more new servers! Looks like the growth has been really explosive. It wasn’t that long ago you migrated Kbin to Fastly right?

    • cacheson
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      The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly.

      I have been wondering how instance-wide moderation will end up looking on kbin, once you’ve had a chance to get a team in place for that. While it is (I assume) a “generalist” instance, it’s important to keep in mind that you can’t please everyone. Trying to have too broad of an audience will just result in retaining those with a high tolerance for toxicity (usually highly toxic themselves), while everyone else leaves in favor of better-managed spaces.

      Communities in general, and particularly on the internet, need to understand what their purpose is, and be proactive about filtering out those that are incompatible with that purpose. This doesn’t mean judging those people as wrong, or “bad people”, it just means recognizing that not everyone is going to get along, and that some level of group cohesion needs to be maintained.

      • atypicaloddity
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        Agreed, that’s part of my problem with generalist instances. They’re so broad that they serve multiple communities with differing expectations, and it forces admins to take sides.

        • cacheson
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          I think there is value in having both generalist and specialized instances, and the big landing spots for new users should probably strive to be more generalist. As you point out though, there are limits to how broad of an audience one can practically cater to.

  • muftiboy
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    cringe. grow up you fascist loser, go back to reddit

  • hydro033
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    I don’t know what is going on with this new magazine, but are you suggesting that we can’t be critical of “woke” culture and/or aspects of trans culture? I think both have some excesses deserving of some criticism, e.g. witch hunts on social media and transwomen in women’s sports.

    Edit: Unbelievable downvotes over a completely reasonable take. Perhaps there is no hope for the internet after all.

    • Aesthesiaphilia
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      I’m sorry for the downvotes. People are assuming you support what’s being said on that magazine, when you explicitly said you didn’t read it. It’s pretty vile stuff, not just reasonable criticisms. The place needs to be banned, it’s very clearly hate speech.

    • PenguinJuice
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      It is really disgusting and probably the worst part of any movement, everyone is brain washed into believing only one narrative and dissent is silenced. It’s pretty much just fascism.

      • @fosho@lemmy.ca
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        you think a movement of tolerance for trans folks is brainwashing? i’m pretty sure it’s society evolving to accept that people exist outside the box of binary genders and other folks deciding they have no problem with that.

        you’re trying to tell people that what they know themselves to be is wrong. you’re out here lacking empathy - making no attempt to really try to understand what life is like for people like this. and ultimately you’re making a fuss about something that bears no tangible outcome on your daily life.

        we don’t want to have this conversation anymore. it has been done to death. we understand your perspective and it’s based on fear of the unknown. end of discussion.

    • AnonTwo
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      You’re being downvoted for making a reasonable take, to a completely unreasonable set of posts.

      The problem is basically people going “let them talk banning is free speech!” When the talk is either an article demonizing the trans lobby, or a post below it that takes a moment to talk about how back in the day it was acceptable to beat homosexual people to a pulp.

      That is why you are being downvoted. Because you’re trying to act like a reasonable response is to be expected to a set of unreasonable and destructive takes. There’s a group here trying to normalize hate speech as something that can just be argued with when most of them are cherry picking their arguments or just arguing in bad faith in general.

    • @Borgzilla@lemmy.ca
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      I see it as an opportunity to see how resilient the Fediverse is against censorship. Each instance has its own rules, and can federate (or not) with whoever they want. You want to build a stormfront clone or an extreme-left community? Go ahead, make your own rules. It does not mean that my instance has to federate with yours, though.

      Sorry about the grammatical mistakes. English is not my native language.

  • 10A
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    Welcome to the real world, where people disagree with you, and sometimes they’re right and you’re wrong. You can learn from everyone’s perspective.

    Is kbin meant to be a far-leftist echo chamber?

    • IncognitoErgoSum
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      I don’t want kbin to be a far-leftist echo chamber. I also don’t want kbin to be a far-right echo chamber. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to want to protect a community from extreme and hateful views, regardless of which side they come from, because those views tend to attract the type of horrible, toxic people such as yourself who advocate beating the shit out of people for being different in a harmless way.

      Welcome to the real world, where people who are different from you exist and mind their own business. If you can’t put up with people who don’t affect you in any way, I don’t think the rest of us owe it to you to put up with you, either. Go find a cesspit to wallow in.

    • NokiOP
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      its a far right talking point, do you want extremist on kbin.social?

      Edit: Funny, your the guy agreeing with “ps”.

      “No normal person who obeys the laws of sexual morality calls himself a “cis”. It’s a slur used by those who hate being called something they don’t call themselves (their God-given gender), but have too much cognitive dissonance and too much hatred for normal people to let that stop them. We need to reopen the asylums yesterday” - this you ?

      more hatefull stuff from you “We may not all have been Christian back then, but almost all of us were, and everyone supported Judeo-Christian values without question. Homosexuals were regularly taken outside and beaten to a pulp, so it was extremely rare for anyone to think such behavior was acceptable.”

      • deelightful
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        Unfortunately I don’t know how to report magazines/users so I can’t help you there but I just want to add my support to what you’re asking because this sort of thing is against the kbin terms of service:

        We expect all users to treat each other with respect and kindness. Harassment, hate speech, or any other form of harmful behavior will not be tolerated. We reserve the right to remove any content or user that violates these guidelines.

        • 10A
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          The communist far-left calls all disagreement “hate speech”. It is not hateful to speak the truth.

          • Naich
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            If you genuinely can’t see that it’s hate speech, then you need to be blocked and not debated because you are immune to reasoning.

            • 10A
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              Amusing. If I can’t accept your obviously incorrect position, then you must shut down conversation because I’m immune to reasoning? Take a look in the mirror.

              • Naich
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                This is not a conversation. Nothing of value will be lost by shutting it down.

          • jalda
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            You are longing for the times when “Homosexuals were regularly taken outside and beaten to a pulp”. Isn’t this hateful?

            • 10A
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              It would be if that’s what I said, but I never said I was longing for anything, and I never threatened to harm anyone.

              • Bizarroland
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                That’s called masturpraying.

                You’re not hurting anyone (in the physical sense) but you’re getting off on the idea that bad things should happen to other people, people you consider to not be in your “in group”, and this is usually done in the name of and for the glory of God.

                It’s a fancy sin that preachers don’t tell people about because they’re usually guilty of it themselves.

                Masturpraying is direct service to and worship of Satan, and he really enjoys it because the people who do it do it in God’s name as they commit spiritual violence against the kingdom of God and its occupants while thinking that they are doing good.

                • 10A
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                  Okay except no, I wasn’t doing that whatsoever.

              • jalda
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                Whatever, I copied your whole paragraph in another comment, and the context is pretty clear for anyone who cares to read it. I didn’t claim that you personally were threatening to do the beating, only that you thought that the beating was desiderable for the “program of western civilization”. If you really don’t want homosexual people to be beaten to a pulp, then you should seriously reconsider how you express your ideas.

                • 10A
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                  Even taking that paragraph out of context is misleading. The whole comment was about the purpose of freedom.

              • Bipta
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                You keep to coded language. Congratulations. Don’t think we can’t read it.

                • 10A
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                  No, actually I say what I mean. You might try taking the context of the entire comment into account. It was about the purpose of freedom.

          • RadicalHomosapien
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            There is no disagreement when it comes to gender identity. You don’t get to disagree with how someone lives their life when it doesn’t effect you. It is not a “communist” ideology to support trans folks and you’re exposing how little you actually understand about politics with these types of assertions.

            • 10A
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              It’s off-topic to debate that here, so I’ll refrain. But suppose you’re right, and I understand nothing. And suppose the antiwoke mod knows nothing either. Would that be suitable grounds to ban a magazine and/or ban us as users?

              • GizmoLion
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                Well that depends, you’ve been pretty thoroughly educated in this post, so now what will you do about it? I fully expect you’ll return to your far right anti-woke hatemongering, in which case yes you should be blocked.

                Or you can retract it, and maybe there’s hope for you yet.

          • bane_killgrind
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            “We need to reopen the asylums yesterday” isn’t the truth, it’s your opinion.

            In my opinion, words like this are propaganda intended for radicalisation, and dehumanize people that don’t fit into rigid definitions of acceptable lifestyle. Your opinion states that these people should be deprived of liberty and free movement, and deprived of autonomy over their own bodies.

            In my opinion, I don’t need to tolerate you in my social circles, and Ernest doesn’t need to use his own computing resources to enable your shit take on what freedom is.

            Kindly go and have your “free speech” using resources that come out of your own pocket, not an unwilling person’s.

            • 10A
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              I respect most of what you wrote. Yes, that one sentence you quoted at the top is nothing more than my opinion. Yes, you could consider it propaganda. But I didn’t intend it to be for radicalization, and I wouldn’t hope that to be its effect.

              I don’t mean to dehumanize anyone, no matter what. But I do agree that I have advocated for a somewhat rigid definition of acceptable lifestyle.

              With regard to depriving anyone of liberty, free movement, and autonomy, that’s specifically for those who need mental help. For many years we used asylums to contain such people. Many of our current social ills began when we closed the asylums down, and changed the DSM to redefine conditions formerly considered types of insanity to now be considered perfectly healthy. This too is just my opinion, but I’m trying to clarify that it only addresses people who need mental help.

              You most certainly don’t need to tolerate me in your social circles, and I won’t be offended if you choose to block me.

              Ernest doesn’t need to do anything at all, and I think we can all agree we’re grateful for what he’s done. Personally I hope he establishes a free speech policy, but in any case we’ll see what happens.

              With regard to money, I’ve bought Ernest coffee and I hope you have too! That doesn’t entitle me to anything, of course. But it’s just to say that yes, I have contributed.

              • Aesthesiaphilia
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                and changed the DSM

                Side note, that’s more an indictment of the DSM and the rigor of psychology than anything else. Whether something is a disorder or not depends on how popular it is, the whole thing reeks of quackery

      • 10A
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        Woke is far-leftist neo-Marxism. What you call “far right” and “extremist” is actually normal, conservative, and Christian. What you call “hateful” is actually just truth telling.

        Downvote me all you want, but you sound like naive child who hasn’t learned how to engage with competing worldviews.

        • geoffervescent
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          We are all happy to engage with competing worldviews

          What you call “far right” and “extremist” is actually normal, conservative, and Christian. What you call “hateful” is actually just truth telling.

          This isn’t a competing worldview, or rather, it’s a competing worldview in the same way that phrenology and alchemy are competing ways to view anatomy and chemistry. Like, it’s possible to genuinely believe in these things if your conditions of childhood existence are so constrained, isolated, or manipulated that you are happier living life in your own personal ‘Truman show.’ But the rest of us don’t have an obligation to play along with your fantasy.

          Most of us here on the internet have at some point met someone we’ve had a reasonable political disagreement with but could walk away understanding each other better due to those disagreements. Most of us would even say thise diagreements have gone in both political directions. The same cannot honestly be said for folks with your version of a ‘world view.’ It’s like a method actor but worse because it lacks any goal, it’s like a person suffering mental but worse because the cause (Patriarchal models of religion) is external, intentional, and had been prosthlytizing delusion as a worldview for millenia.

        • AnonTwo
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          You know, calling everyone not on your political compass “Not Normal” is kindof not coming off as mature as you think it is…

          Basically rather than “disagree” with people, you’re creating strawmen to debase anyone speaking to you, so you don’t have to disagree with them.

        • jclinares
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          If you answer “yes”, you just might be repeating the whisper of a demon."

          So, wait… people who have a competing world view from yours are listening to demons? Now who’s naive? xD

        • mrnotoriousman
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          Woke is far-leftist neo-Marxism

          Lmaoooo with the buzzwords. Define far-left neo marxism and give some examples of it being promoted by US politicians.

        • bushOfBerries
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          I think you mistyped truth social in your URL bar. This place will not welcome you, I think.

          • 10A
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            Hatred is not speech you disagree with. It’s not speech that hurts your delicate feelings. It’s not speech that contradicts your values. It’s none of that.

            I’m fine with downvotes, although I miss old-school reddiquette back when we upvoted content that should be seen, regardless of whether or not we agreed with it. But this discussion is about banning people and magazines, not downvotes.

            • FfaerieOxide
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              Do you remember when I called you an asshole?

              I’d like to expand that you’re a mi-sogynist , homophobe, and your support for fascists leaves me with no compunctions presuming you hold racist beliefs as well.

              In short, I want to make clear this is not a case of what you may have read in Mathew 10:22. You are not being persecuted, and it is not “for righteousness’ sake”. You are a hate filled asshole who pursues policies which will harm society, and you seek to insert and establish the dominance of (what you believe to be) the word of your god while desiring safe space free from the calling out of your hate.

              I also suspect you might be closeted.

              That last line is not served as a “gotcha”. I want you to know community and acceptance can exist outside what you seem to have found convening with some very dangerous ideology on the right. I suspect at some level you want to be lead away as as you say yourself there are places you could hang out that would not challenge your beliefs. You are here in a “den of sin”.

              I will commune with a few gods (not yhwh; different better gods) to see if they can bless you with the conviction to choose kindness over cantankerousness.
              Change is possible.
              You are not broken beyond repair.
              I Love You.

              I have faith in your ability to be a better person than you have thus-far demonstrated yourself to be.

            • Bipta
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              Hatred is not speech you disagree with. It’s not speech that hurts your delicate feelings. It’s not speech that contradicts your values. It’s none of that.

              Right. It’s speech that tells people they’re not worthy of or welcome to exist.

              Thanks for playing.

              • 10A
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                That’s not exactly what hate speech is, but it’s also not what I said. Standing up for conservative Christian behavior is wholly different from telling anyone they’re not worthy or welcome to exist. We are all made in God’s image, all of us able to repent, be forgiven, and live according to God’s will.

            • kestrel7
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              No one needs to see this, you are throwing out extremely basic arguments that all of us encounter every day in this regressive society. You aren’t speaking truth to power, you’re just being part of the power right now. You aren’t making yourself look good and you aren’t making the world a better, freer, more nuanced, or happier place.

              People: Hey, stop being a jackass.

              Conservatives: OMG, yoU WANT TO CREATE A FAR LeFTIST ECHO CHAMBER

              Every fucking time.

            • AnonTwo
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              Can you explain how a post that was aimed towards “trans lobby harms our society” is not hatred?

              I mean I somewhat blame the OP for not linking the posts for some context, but after a bit of looking around it sounds like the posts in question are in fact hate speech and not just things to disagree with.

            • NokiOP
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              I am downvoting you because nobody should get eye cancer from your bullshit

      • jalda
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        I don’t usually go to through other people’s comment history, but this one is a goldmine

        “It made sense back when everyone was, more or less, on board with the program of western civilization. We may not all have been Christian back then, but almost all of us were, and everyone supported Judeo-Christian values without question. Homosexuals were regularly taken outside and beaten to a pulp, so it was extremely rare for anyone to think such behavior was acceptable. At this point we need to ask ourselves what the purpose of freedom is. Are we a free people so we can exercise perverted pleasures of the flesh, the slaughter of innocent babies, and genital mutilation of children without their parents knowledge? If you answer “yes”, you just might be repeating the whisper of a demon.”

        “woke neo-marxism claims that any normal person is bad. That means its practitioners openly discriminate against conservative white Christian men, especially if they practice heterosexual behavior in a traditional marriage.”

        “Ironically, secession is about the most American thing we could do at this point”

      • VerifiablyMrWonka
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        Thank you for doing the investigation so I don’t have to. He’ll be going on many peoples block lists at this point.

    • Matthieu
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      @kbinMeta
      @10A
      Considering the issue about tankies on some lemmy instances, I think we understand how much left is too far left. And what you describe as “woke” isn’t it.

    • Bipta
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      You present the false choice between hateful extremists and left wing extremists.

  • MonochromeObserver
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    I agree with others that you just gave that ps guy what they wanted: attention. You should’ve messaged ernest directly to ask him for better report tools.

    Meanwhile, go to beehaw if you need better protection from people like him.

  • TooTallSol
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    Thank you for exposing all the people who want kbin to be just like Reddit. If that is what kbin turns into then it can join spez right where he belongs.

    Your calls for censorship should get YOU and your peers in this thread banned.

    • rideranton
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      You can block domains if you click on the domain next to the post, go to the sidebar and block it like a magazine

      • shatteredsteel
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        That hasn’t been functioning for me, I’ve had to go to each magazine individually to block them.

        If I click the button on the instance it doesn’t do anything, I still see the posts in my feed. I’ve tried on a few of the non-english instances (since I don’t know other languages).

  • Haan
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    02 years ago

    Why do you care? Is kbin.social not a free speech platform? If not, I’ll find somewhere else to go.

    I don’t even agree with these folks, but if people are going to start raising a big stink because people are saying things they don’t like, I’m out.

    • BobVersionFour
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      I don’t even agree with these folks> if you sit at a table with 7 nazi that table contain 8 nazi

    • 10A
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      02 years ago

      I may disagree with what you have to say, but I’ll fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

      • @fosho@lemmy.ca
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        until it’s hate speech. then you shouldn’t have the right to say it. because that makes you a dick-head who has broken the social contract.

    • szczur
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      There’s free speech in good faith, and the one in the bad. But that’s not even about that. If someone’s speech is basically “all trans people are a pedophiles and belong on the cross in defence of good christian values” (not a direct quote, just a representation) it’s not free speech. It’s hate speech and that kind of speech is not protected. Free speech is meant to protect voicing opinions. Thinking some people are not deserving of worthy living is not an opinion.

  • MonsieurHedge
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    The mostly “reduced” posts in this thread open up a good time to discuss the benefits of federation in regards to removing problem users. Can we federate banlists, such that if, for example, you’re banned from kbin.social for creating a community for hate speech, it also bans you from likeminded instances automatically?

    Would be nice to form “zine alliances” to share the burden a little bit. Anyone who posts “end wokeness” stuff doesn’t need to exist on any platform.

  • ArugulaZ
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    The frothing hysteria over “wokeness” (ie treating your fellow humans with respect) is just a smokescreen by the oil industry, which hopes it will take some pressure off it for, you know, slowly killing us all with global warming. You do know this, don’t you?

    I went through a young Republican phase, too. Then I realized that the party had nothing to offer ordinary people but contempt and cynical manipulation. Like telling people that they can be good Christians by doing the exact opposite of what Christ did. Like pitting Americans against each other for their differences. Like convincing people that the former president, a monster by any objective standard, is this country’s savior when it’s clear that he’s just shaking the nation for loose change.

    It’s called “wokeness” because we finally opened our eyes, saw what was happening all around us, and decided to do something about it. You can either recognize the evil in this world, or become another oblivious victim of it.

      • 10A
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        02 years ago

        And quite a creative one at that.

      • bane_killgrind
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        It’s not really. There is millions visibly spent on lobbying efforts against climate change, and invisibly stockholders invested in energy are board members of media companies. For example Jack Cockwell has over a billion dollars in Brookfield hedge fund, and that fund has been increasing it’s holdings in energy for the last decade. There’s some BCE board member that has millions of dollars in Wajax stocks (industrial equipment manufacturer), about half his net worth.
        If you talk about industries with influence on one another from the perspective of ownership, you’ll find it’s all very incestuous as the richest people will diversify.
        Weirdly, the people involved in Fox News only seem to own stock in FOX, but cash contributions to those people aren’t shown in the market data I’m looking at. Maybe I’m not looking in the right places, but I’m not a finance person.

    • ArugulaZ
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      02 years ago

      Every downvote is a sweet, sweet tear trickling down from the chubby cheek of an incel sociopath who was pre-emptively blocked. Delicious! Your agony sustains me!

  • Bobo_Palermo
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    02 years ago

    Simply don’t go to that magazine? Fuck, people…censorship is bad, but it sounds like kbin is committed to it. Is there a community I can join that has full free speech? This is a serious question.

  • Izzgo
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    02 years ago

    Now I can confirm, the block button works :D