• @TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
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      151 year ago

      They set fire to babies. They already let the “Go Max Barbarian” toothpaste out of the tube. There’s no putting that shit back.

        • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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          01 year ago

          Nah, fuck both sides. Indiscriminate killing is indiscriminate killing. Hamas is bad but carpet bombing hospitals isn’t better.

          • Zorque
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            301 year ago

            So… why lump all of Palestine in with Hamas?

            • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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              -11 year ago

              Admittedly I just realized I misread the initial post I responded to. I thought it said, you can’t be pro-palistine without being pro-hamas. None the less, nobody’s have are clean in this conflict.

              • Zorque
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                111 year ago

                I’d say the children killed by both Israeli bombings and Hamas rockets are probably pretty fuckin’ clean.

                • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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                  01 year ago

                  Right, which is why I think both sides suck. The gray is that there is a lot more history then the last couple of weeks. None of it justifies current actions, but it’s not black and white…

            • PatFusty
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              -21 year ago

              Why lump all Isrealites with Netanyahu policy? Its a 2 way street

      • @SYLOH@lemmy.world
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        51 year ago

        A stance of “Both sides are bad” is just a stance that favors the Status Quo.
        The underdog needs the extra assistance, the superior doesn’t.
        So for that reason I’m pro-Israel, don’t want either side winning, don’t want aid to either side, so that defaults to a pro-Israel stance.
        I’m comfortable being labeled as such.

        • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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          -61 year ago

          I get it. It’s a dirty situation with tons of gray area. I think Israel has the edge in higher ground, but every new article that comes out of their atrocities erodes away that high ground.

          • @filister@lemmy.world
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            -11 year ago

            Sorry what high ground has Israel. Over the years they proved how morally corrupt they are. And the civilian casualties are way higher on the Palestinian side.

            Checking the historical number of kids and women who succumbed on both sides is showing a terrifying trend.

            This recent escalation just proves once again how bad they are.

    • ???
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      -121 year ago

      Read about proximity shielding. It’s a made up kind of human shielding Israel and other countries have used as a shortcut to not be seen as committing a clear war crime.

      Israel brings death and genocide to the Palestinians, Israel is Nazi Germany in this scenario.

        • ???
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          Even if they did it can never justify killing the people in the hospital. Stop.

          Edit: notice the downvoted to a statement that says nothing justifies killing completely unrelated civilians.

          Yes this is the world we live in now.

          • @Vqhm@lemmy.world
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            71 year ago

            Rule 28. Medical units exclusively assigned to medical purposes must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy.

            https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28#:~:text=to medical units-,Rule 28.,and protected in all circumstances.

            the protection of medical units ceases when they are being used, outside their humanitarian function, to commit acts harmful to the enemy. This exception is provided for in the First and Fourth Geneva Conventions and in both Additional Protocols.[37] It is contained in numerous military manuals and military orders.[38] It is also supported by other practice.[39]

            While the Geneva Conventions and Additional Protocols do not define “acts harmful to the enemy”, they do indicate several types of acts which do not constitute “acts harmful to the enemy”, for example, when the personnel of the unit is armed, when the unit is guarded, when small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick are found in the unit and when wounded and sick combatants or civilians are inside the unit.[40] According to the Commentary on the First Geneva Convention, examples of acts harmful to the enemy include the use of medical units to shelter able-bodied combatants, to store arms or munitions, as a military observation post or as a shield for military action.[41]

            • ???
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              -31 year ago

              Yeah except the majority of the dead were civilians. Israel has no proof of this anyway, and there being tunnel under the hospital does not mean any medical staff is cooperating.

              Just a license for genocide.

              • @Vqhm@lemmy.world
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                41 year ago

                Unfortunately based on the rules of was the medical staff do not have to cooperate, or even be aware, simply storing weapons, or a command center, or staging armed soldiers for war next to a hospital removes the protections.

                The rules of war aren’t about making things perfect, they’re very much a do not let perfect be the enemy of good and filled with compromises.

                If you want protections for medical staff you have to clear a section of ground for them that isn’t used for war.

                I didn’t make these rules. These rules were agreed to in order to try to prevent total war. Where carpet bombs flattened entire cities like what happened in Dresden.

                • ???
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                  -11 year ago

                  That’s BS. Proximity shielding is used to excuse war crimes. You should not kill people especially if they aren’t even aware. Using it as an excuse for murder is propaganda.

    • capital
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      Jan 26, 2006

      Fatah supporters took to the streets of Ramallah last night to celebrate a victory that was not theirs. The exit polls got it wrong. The faction founded by the late Yasser Arafat had not, in fact, won a narrow victory. Instead, it was roundly defeated by the radical Islamic organization Hamas.

      And by day, it was Hamas supporters who were jamming the streets. Running in their first national electoral outing, Hamas candidates won a huge victory, securing 76 seats to Fatah’s 43 in the Palestinian Legislative Council.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hamas-wins-palestinian-authority-elections

      • Grant_M
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        What’s the date today? That was over 17 years ago. NOW the Gazan people are prisoners of Hamas. They need to be freed.

        • capital
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          June 15, 2021

          The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.

          https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

          There’s the latest I could find. I’m open to seeing a later one but I’d be surprised to see a large swing in support in just a few years given the history.

          • Grant_M
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            -21 year ago

            53% is very low from people knowing Hamas will murder them if they oppose them.

            • capital
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              Let’s plant a flag here and acknowledge that we’ve moved from “that poll is old” to “these polls can’t be trusted”.

              Were Fatah supporters murdered for voting against and then (prematurely) PUBLICLY celebrating Hamas’ loss? I couldn’t find anything with a quick search. Maybe you could link me?

              • Grant_M
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                -41 year ago

                These people ‘vote’ with a gun held to their head. Do you understand how things work under authoritarian rule?

                • capital
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                  81 year ago

                  Were Fatah supporters murdered for voting against and then (prematurely) PUBLICLY celebrating Hamas’ loss? I couldn’t find anything with a quick search. Maybe you could link me?

        • capital
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          -11 year ago

          This is straight up, unmasked whataboutism. Yes, what you brought up also is bad.

          BUT. My comment was a direct reply to a comment suggesting the people of Palestine don’t support Hamas so I was dispelling that particular fiction.

            • capital
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              Literally, yes.

              Read up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

              You can’t stay on topic. Why is that? I’ll help, it’s because you don’t want to admit I’m right and you’re grasping at anything rather than let yourself acknowledge it.

              I’ll help some more. This excerpt exactly explains what you did:

              denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation

    • hh93
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      -11 year ago

      That’s what Israel is trying tbh

      • Grant_M
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        31 year ago

        It’s a good thing and the only way for any peace to begin.

  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod
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    221 year ago

    I’m going to stop calling this the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and start calling it the Canaanite Civil War

  • PugJesus
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    221 year ago

    Yes, I’m sure Hamas was just holding back this whole time. /s

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    51 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Oct 27 (Reuters) - Two U.S. fighter jets struck weapons and ammunition facilities in Syria on Friday in retaliation for attacks on U.S. forces by Iranian-backed militia as concerns grew that the Israel-Hamas conflict may spread in the Middle East.

    The U.S. air strikes took place at roughly 4:30 a.m. on Friday (0130 GMT) near Abu Kamal, a Syrian town on the border with Iraq, and were carried out by two F-16 fighter jets using precision munitions, a U.S. defence official said.

    “These precision self-defence strikes are a response to a series of ongoing and mostly unsuccessful attacks against U.S. personnel in Iraq and Syria by Iranian-backed militia groups that began on October 17,” U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said in a statement.

    Biden has sent a rare message to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei warning Tehran against targeting U.S. personnel in the Middle East, the White House said earlier on Thursday.

    Israel said on Friday military raids into Gaza were preparing “the next stage of the operation”, amid fears that a ground invasion of the Palestinian enclave could spark a wider Middle East conflict.

    A missile launched as part of fighting between Hamas and Israel struck an Egyptian resort town about 220 km (135 miles) from the Gaza Strip early on Friday, Egypt’s Al Qahera News reported, citing sources.


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  • ShroOmeric
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    -151 year ago

    Hamas and the IDF are made of the same criminal substance. They’re one and the same.