• @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      All comes down to $$$

      AOC is fine when she’s getting trotted out on Twitch-Plays-Pokemon to beg for dollars. But actually giving her power? Fuck that. No business interest would ever donate to the party again if they thought she was what they’d be buying into.

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          No. But its worth understanding why AOC has survived in her seat longer than Cori Bush or Jamal Bowman did. She’s been following the Sanders entryist playbook, thinking she can eventually get a seat at the table. But every two years, she gets played as a sucker - raising the party a ton of money, then getting stuffed back into the box when her usefulness has passed.

          Bush and Bowman couldn’t bring in that kind of coin, so they’ve been punted from the organization and replaced with more doctrinaire loyalists. AOC gets to hold her seat just so long as she finds enough people to keep bankrolling the consultant fees.

          At some point, she needs to recognize she’s being strung along or she just becomes another part of the problem.

          • @ikidd@lemmy.world
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            Didn’t Harris bring in half a B with non-corporate donations within a few weeks of getting the nomination?

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              non-corporate donations

              She unlocked hundreds of millions from bundlers who’d been sitting on the sidelines due to Biden’s tanking poll numbers. But this was money Biden should have already raised up until Harris entered the race. He just wasn’t in a fit mental state to be phone banking and glad handing the big money, like he’d managed back under the Obama campaigns.

              Biden actually raised $3.2B back in 2020, thanks to his fundraising network. That he and Harris barely got over a billion (a number Obama matched back in 2008) suggests a huge draw back in support over Biden’s four years as president.

  • @zeroday@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I’m glad she broke her hip. Genuinely, she deserves worse for constantly sabotaging any efforts to actually represent the working class in the Democratic Party.

  • Nick
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    Wow I can’t seem to figure out why Democrats keep losing elections

  • @Belgdore@lemm.ee
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    Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.

  • @buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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    Why the fuck won’t that old bitch just get the fuck out? Her and Feinstein, two fucking peas in a pod. Dragging the entire democratic party down into the dumpster fire that it has become.

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      There are ways to change it. You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself. https://pelosi.house.gov/contact/offices/washington-dc-office

      Note about contacting her: sadly she was hospitalized just recently: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/nancy-pelosi-hospitalized-congressional-visit-luxembourg-rcna184144 even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery. It’s likely that no matter her health it would go to her secretary so perhaps if lots of people call the message would still get passed along to her once she gets better.

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        You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself.

        Good news, everybody. I put in a quick call and made a few salient points. Nancy agreed with me on all of them and says she’s reversing her decision.

        even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery

        Why are you so invested in licking boots?

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          What have you done to make things better? Sitting and not doing anything lets the other people do things you don’t want. Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want. Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi. Also Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party. That’s because people who feel AOC is good for the party aren’t being heard by her.

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            Sitting and not doing anything

            Why are the only two options “Be a three term Congresswoman” or “Do Nothing”?

            Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want.

            The problem is that AOC has no influence. She can’t impact the language of legislation, the priorities of national spending, or the operation of her assigned committees.

            Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi.

            Its been tried, repeatedly. Her position is unassailable, largely by way of name recognition. The cost of running a campaign in a media market as expensive as San Fransisco’s is astronomical. That, combined with her influence in state and local political leadership, means Dems close ranks and shut more left-leaning candidates out of public leadership in local political establishments.

            Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party

            Oh well, in that case, I guess who are we to question her judgement.

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              I think either my post wasn’t clear or you misread it. I’m talking about simple actions you can take to improve the DNC. If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party. I’m not talking about AOC’s influence, I’m talking about yours.

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                If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party.

                I don’t think you’ve ever actually volunteered in a Democratic political campaign. The party leadership is far more interested in talking than listening.

                I’m not talking about AOC’s influence

                If a three-term Congresswoman with enormous fundraising power isn’t able to influence her Minority Leader, what is she even doing in that job?

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                People SCREAMED at the party. Muslim Democrat voters made all the democracy moves, and got told to get lost:

                • Organized a massive protest movement,
                • Made their desires and convictions known publicly and directly to leadership who’d listen
                • Turned out and protested in person
                • Were snubbed any kind of representation or platform at the DNC, even for a curated speech by a sitting Congressional member
                • Ran a massive protest vote in the Democratic primaries, which if sustained (which it was in the general) meant that the Dems would loose Michigan at a minimum (which Kamala did) and its 15 electoral college votes went for Trump

                The party has to be listening for anyone’s voice to be heard. Until you hit your FEC donor limit and the throw down even more for a Super PAC, or pay for a seat at fundraiser dinner/chat a you’re definitely a nobody to them. We need a new party:

                Organizers said about 700 people attended the fundraiser. Ticket prices ranged from $3,300 to a half million dollars. Political experts said this visit is essentially a trip to the ATM.

                August 12 Zoom event with North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, where tickets ranged from $1,000 to $25,000

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      https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

      We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.

      A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.

      If you think either party under it’s current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you’re deluding yourself.

      The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)

      • @NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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        Universal healthcare is not a newly proposed issue, either. Going at least as far back to FDR’s administration, his Secretary of Labor (and architect of The New Deal) Frances Perkins even advocated for public healthcare.

  • @droopy4096@lemmy.ca
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    this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That’s how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they’ve had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see… Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas

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      No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.

    • @TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
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      none of the contemporary democrats have experience fighting fascists.

      usually because they don’t recognize their financial advisors as being fascists

    • It’s a sunk cost. All the time and effort we spent propping them up could be use to build a new but people won’t face the fact. They think they can slowly steer it in the right direction but all the effort that has to go in is easily reversed by some insignificant amount of money from the doner class.

      • @chaogomu@lemmy.world
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        Part of the problem is that you literally cannot build up a third party under First Past the Post voting.

        The thing is, the current most popular alternative voting system, RCV is just as bad for third parties.

        RCV was first invented in the 1780s by the Marquis de Condorcet, under the name Instant Runoff. He wrote about it, mostly to highlight it’s problems.

        Like the fact that under IRV the majority preferred candidate can easily lose the election.

        And that’s the tip of the iceberg when it comes to flaws in IRV.

        Thankfully it’s been over 200 years since then, and better voting systems have been designed.

        STAR is as close to the magical best system designed to date.

        If we had STAR for all elections, plus voting day as a national holiday, we’d be in a vastly better place.

        • All this is moot. There is no party that will be able to wrest power away from the GOP come January. Yet still there will be fools putting all their hopes in the effectively powerless DNC.

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            Yeah, we’re coming into a pretty horrible timeline. I’d have preferred the one where the Brooks Brothers Riot failed. But that ship has long sailed.

            This timeline is going to be an authoritarian nightmare with random high points where some rich asshole is murked by an Adjustor copycat.

  • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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    “I’m probably going to die before my term is over, but I need to ratfuck the next generation of politicians so fascists get even more chance at fucking over more Americans.”

    Might as well just vote yes on everything Trump says, Pelosi.