Yeah. At least when nuclear war was the existential threat hanging over humanity you had the comfort that it would all be over in an instant. Now we get to watch a slow unraveling of civilization over decades while things continue to get worse. Fun times.
It’d be over in an instant for the lucky ones.
Fuck, I didn’t think I’d ever be nostalgic for the constant threat of being nuked, but here we are.
expect they’ve found a way to ‘profit’ off the collapse already. might be one of the reasons they’re doing nothing to stop it
The wealthy and the powerful will be the last to suffer the negative effects of climate change.
And when the last land is a desert, the last river dry, the last field poisoned, the last tree cut down, will they realise that one cannot eat money.
People will be paying a lot to find habitable places, and trying to
mitigatewhat should have been avoided. There will always be someone to profit off this process.Deflection towards hydrogen mining. Shell UK got absolutely grilled over it, showing that it was nowhere close to carbon neutral.
The RNC debate was a pretty big red alert. One of the more popular candidates literally said “climate change is a hoax” and got applause. And most of them would at least admit it was real but immediately talked about removing ‘government restrictions’ unfairly placed on corporations and climate change is an excuse to burn money for the current party.
Pretty cool…
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I often wonder, before society collapses, if the corporations who hid this shit for 45 years will ever face the consequences of their lies. Not really calling for pitchforks but, well, it’s the ecosystem… it’s our civilization they profited on destroying, and they did so gleefully and the profits were obscene. If there was ever a time to get the torches and pitchforks out…?
No one will face consequences. Everything the companies are currently doing is legal or unenforceable.
Don’t just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.
Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street
and maybe… just maybe… you will change fuck all
Plastic straws have almost zero to none impact on climate change. It is one of the biggest virtue signaling campaings that managed to scam shit ton of gullible people. Climate change is a never ending process, those who can alter the process have way bigger means to affect it than you and me. Regulate the companies, end the “too big to fail” market monopoly, tax the shit out of billioners. Dont fall to their diversion strategy that we are to blame for any of this shit.
I love how McDonald’s went from paper cups/plastic straws to plastic cups/paper straws in my area.
Mine stopped using straws for a bit and gave a special lid that made it easier to sip your soda. That didn’t last long, we are now back to plastic cups and plastic straws.
I mean we kinda can’t unless we convince billionaires to making money.
That seems to me the crux of the issue.
Veganism is the movement which has the highest potential to change society and is a huge impact on the environment. (IPCC: biggest single step one can take / even without fossile fuels our current food system will still contribute with +2°C to global warming)
And it does not take away from any other activity we should pursue in the fight for climate, while ending support for some billionaires like Wesley Batista
So long as we’re pushing for systemic change - we don’t dig ourselves out of this by “just taking personal responsibility” harder.
Gotta do both.
TBF, I can’t argue with that, but when we look at where the issue lays, it’s clear which we should prioritise. Just talking personal responsibility harder also doesn’t do much about the rest of your country, let alone the world.
What are countries and the world but a large group of individuals
Groups of people and organisations that submit to the power of a government that sets the rules for that group of people.
Change the rules, change the behaviour for the large group of individuals and the companies doing the lions share of the damage.
Change your behaviour, change the behaviour of one individual.
Sure. Change your own scope that you control, and simultaneously work to change the system. But there is more than one system. Not just government systems. But also mental/social systems, for instance the meme that individual actions don’t amount to much. Imagine if everyone started believing their individual actions mattered.
Agreed with the caveat that compared to corporate contributions, individual contribution (within reason) is near irrelevant.
and those induviduals dont shape the structutres they inhabit that are causing these issues, they are born into them and compliance to these structures is enforced ideologically and through force and prison.
Speak concretely. What actions would you like them to take, and how will they help?
People say that but it would help if they mention things to actually do.
Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.
And you and kids are still gonna die from the effects of climate change and the collapse of society because a handful of billionaires and corporations only care about making more money next quarter in spite of every single other human being on the planet.
Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen I mean, … the current profiteers which steer society into collapse have names.
Hey, it’s not easy being …green.
You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real. The rich will continue to get richer and you’ll toil away in relative comfort as you do now.
It will seem far away until the day that your home is burning down or under water. And that day is coming.
Even if your particular house is in a safe location, you’re still fucked from all the other houses being flooded and burned down because that means disastrous effects on global supply chains including food and a massive refugee crisis the likes of which the world has literally never seen.
You people think it will be a night and day collapse? Get real.
You know that’s the thing, nobody really knows. It’s all predictions based on necessarily flawed models. And they range from relatively mild changes until the turn of the century on the one hand, over methane released from thawing permafrost leading to a steep acceleration of warming in the middle, to having crossed an irreversible tipping point decades ago that will lead to an algae bloom in the oceans which will render the atmosphere unbreathable on the other hand. We can only hope it’s on the former end of the spectrum, but I wouldn’t bet on it personally.
We could do more than just hope… And we really should.
We can’rt do shit. The only things rhat could potentially have any meaningful impact are government regulation or the killing of CEOs and big investors en masse, and neither one is going to happen.
Well not with that attitude. Defeatisms doesn’t become you my friend.
Unless you expect people to start murdering oil executives and climate denier politicians, you’re wrong. Teslas and paper staws are never going to make a difference, because consumer-level pollution isn’t the problem.
What reason is there not to be defeatist? We already fucking lost decades ago.
Very helpful spreading such a stupid mindset. First of all you could change that. Next you can get involved with politics. After that maybe donate some money and so on… Seams like there are many things one could do if the time wasn’t wasted on telling everyone there would be nothing they could do 👍
Next you can get involved with politics.
Sorry, I have to actually work for a living to keep a fucking roof over my head and food on my table. I literally couldn’t make the time if I tried, and I sure as shit don’t have the money.
After that maybe donate some money and so on…
What money? I live in America, where the overwhelming majority live paycheck to paycheck and struggle just to get by.
And who should I give it to? Some limp dick lobbying group pushing for glacially incremental change and that no one in government gives a fuck about? Hard pass.
But sure, keep blaming the victims and jerking off the villains. I’m sure it’ll all work out great for you.
I meant we can only hope we haven’t crossed a tipping point yet without knowing. Carbon cycles are thousands of years long. We might have already killed our species.
But I agree, we should do what we can to fight climate change.
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Slowly…
In human time, yes. In world time, no.
The problem IMHO is that the ”information“ feels like propaganda. “You need to stop doing this, because the planet needs you to“ I mean come on, 80% of all the greenhouse gas emissions come from 10 companies.
Don’t FridayForFuture us, FridayForFuture them.
Oh, and one thing to add to trigger a whole lot of people: Most of the people are dependent on those companies, because they earn too little to get an alternative. And saying they are the reason is like telling a POW that their crafting of shells kills Americans.
It’s not really propaganda, it’s just deflection. Call out corporations for contributing the most to the climate catastrophe, and they/the media/losers on social media immediately go “oh well what have you done personally to stop it” or “well you use their product means you’re part of the problem” or “you’re not recycling”, deflecting the blame from corporations to individuals.
As long as these people are in power, nothing is going to change, only half assed unhelpful compromises.
So… a lot of important people have to vanish… kind of like an undertale run where you kill all the bosses.
I also like to say “big oil paid you to say that!“ and just be ignorant. I know it didn’t happen, but their reaction is funny.
The final generation? Well they are strawmen who destroy the cars of normal people to bring hate towards those who are in for the movement.
Car dealerships in the US are whining that they can’t move the expensive EV’s car makers are producing. Meanwhile the world is burning. We need a crash program to replace every damned gas powered vehicle needed, while eliminating hundreds of thousands completely off the road where possible. Cities should have sidewalks, bikepaths, and mass rail transit everywhere in the US.
If we don’t do it, we’re pissing in the wind.
edit: same with renewable generation - no more nimby bullshit. build it all. no one’s view is worth another summer like this.
It’s all already slowly spinning out of control…
That’s what the hurricane said
“slowly”
@electriccars @memes I don’t appreciate unfunny memes. :-(
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It’s worse than that. If we degrowthed and decarbonized fast enough to stop global warming, billons of people will die. If we continue to do nothing or weak sauce half measures to stop global warming, billions of people will die.
We are fucked either way now.
There is zero evidence that fixing things will kill anything other than billionaire profits.
This is the dumbest fucking take I’ve ever heard.
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A defeatest attitude only makes things worse faster.
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False optimism is as toxic as unjustified defeatism. Be realistic.
