Anyone who says this doesn’t know what “coma” means. Or “lucid” for the matter
The natural selection implications for dream amnesia are wild.
What do you mean, care to elaborate?
Look at the guy who sleeps 8 hours a night and also have dreams, I wish I would have that luxury
Capital won’t care about dreams until they can inject commercials, propaganda, etc.
What more proof do you need that materialism is bullshit?
I have had only a few vivid, real feeling dreams that have stuck with me for years. Do I know what they mean, nope. Do I wish I had more of them… yes. Working on improving my sleep in the last year or so. I think my average sleep time actually got a few mins. shorter. Oops.
Human memories are stored in flesh
Flesh has to be replaced constantly
When you sleep your memories are being copied and reallocated to new flesh, the things you experience in dreams are just a series of incredibly losely related themes and concepts. In general human memory searching relies on association of concepts rather than any sorted lists or some other silly inorganic solution.
Flesh has to be replaced constantly
That’s more than a tad inaccurate.
Some tissues live a lot longer than others but as a general statement it holds true.
EDIT: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-019-0375-9.epdf
I believe this to. Like ram being transfered to slower media but filtered, parsed, etc to keep the important parts.
That sounds cool, but I don’t think it’s strictly true.
Memories that have many pathways won’t be lost due to a few broken pathways and are reinforced with further experience: learning or remembering.
Others are simply gone with neurons dying or the pathways getting severed.
Neurogenesis doesn’t happen as much in adults, they’re the longest living cells in our bodies - adult neurons last a lifetimeI boiled down the complex neurological system of organic memory in living beings down to a paragraph, of course there is room for a lot of nuance and sophistry.
8 hours sounds nice. I usually manage about 4 or 5
Obligatory sleep hacks from a person who loves sleep:
- Clean bedsheets
- No phone in bed
- Same sleep time every day
- Same wake time every day
- Exercise during the day
- No lights in the room. No LEDs, no street lights
- White noise
If you do any one of these your sleep will improve. If it doesn’t, I give you full permission to flame me and my dog.
This concept is known as “sleep hygiene” if anyone wants to read further.
I have slept many nights, on average about once a day for many years. In my experience, it’s the routine that has the most effect. I know it’s super difficult to maintain but going to bed and waking up same time everyday is the key.
What does your poor dog have to do with this?
Ear plugs have been a life saver for me. I can’t sleep without them now, fortunately they sell them in huge containers so I only have to buy them like every year and half.
Do you put in a fresh pair every night?
No, I just keep them in a clean spot and they last about a week before they start looking dingy. Then I use a new pair.
I don’t get a lot of earwax though so someone who’s ears make more will probably have to change them more frequently.
no way. sleep is great but sleeping in is glorious.
White noise is critical and underrated.
Don’t have children
Every time I lucid dream, I end up waking myself up with something stupid like tripping as I step off a curb.
Just realizing I’m dreaming wakes me up every damn time. The only times I’ve gotten to have some fun is when I don’t question why the laws of physics suddenly changed and just go with it. The second I start going, “Wait a second, I think I’m drea-” boom, I wake up. It’s infuriating, I just want to fly around or explore the ocean depths or some shit.
Whenever I realize I’m dreaming I usually just get really excited and it accidentally wakes me up. I don’t get time to do cool stuff.
havent had 8 hours of “lucid coma” since before most of you were born
Yeah me either. In the last 24;hrs I got 2 hrs then a little later 40 mins then a number of hours later one more hour.
HUMAN BEINGS MAKE LIFE SO INTERESTING. DO YOU KNOW, THAT IN A UNIVERSE SO FULL OF WONDERS, THEY HAVE MANAGED TO INVENT BOREDOM.
- Death of the Discworld
Terry Pratchett - G.N.U
Sex is weird too. You undress and make your self vulnerable and expend a lot of energy and risk catching a disease and then fall asleep. Either we do it for fun or to create a parasite that we have to take are of.
To be fair, in comparison to living, it is a lot of fun.
And clothes are restrictive anyway
Almost everyone does it almost every day, it would be more strange if everyone was freaking out about it.
You can train yourself to remember dreams if you start writing down everything you remember.
You can also learn to recognize that you are in a dream and take control (look up lucid dreaming).
Every single dream I have is lucid. Nightly I live entire lifetimes and wake up and have to convince myself this is reality and I don’t have those friends and families. To this day there are times I have to ask my irl friends and family if a certain memory is real or not.
It’s interesting but also heartbreaking and exhausting.
Or don’t, maybe we are supposed to forget them. For instance I do not want to remember my dreams as I have barely ever had a pleasant one. I’d rather wake up in blissful ignorance of whatever shit my broken brain threw together while it tries to suffocate me.
just wanted to point out that most people don’t have a lifetime of nightly nightmares, and your could be eased with some therapy, or at least mushrooms and puppies.
and if you LIKE nightmares and want more, slap on a nicotine patch right before you go to bed.
ok, so yeah. The only time i’ve ever had a sleep paralysis experience was when i went to bed with a nicotine patch on. I “woke up” (but not really) to some random blonde lady creepy-smiling while standing over me in my bed. I tired to scream and push her away, but i was totally frozen and couldn’t do anything. After a couple of seconds, though, I woke up for real and she obviously wasn’t there at all. The strangest part is that when i did wake up, it didn’t really feel like I had. It felt like i was awake the whole time and she just disappeared at exactly the same time i regained motor control. It was absolutely terrifying.
I used that stop smoking drug back in the day. Forgot the name, makes you ill if you use? Holy shit the dreams!
I’d have the most horrific nightmares, but they didn’t bother me in the slightest. I loved going to bed, it was like going to a new horror movie every night.
Now I have even a slighty spooky dream and sometimes have to turn the light on to shake it. Speaking of, there was a “dog thing” I dreamed the other night that’s going straight in my next horror short.
Champix?
Chantix, and yeah, that’s probably it. I had the most vivid dreams on it.
I subscribe to the idea that dreams are a byproduct of your brain defragmenting itself, or priming its neural-net with images trained during the daytime.
To remember the byproduct might undermine this process, in the same way that feeding a NN its own output might produce garbage output later.
The recent AI generated videos are such an accurate portrayal of dreams that there must be some parallels there
As with the above posters, any idea if regularly dream journaling (and potentially lucid dreaming) is actually healthy or not?
I say this as someone who gets pretty bad nightmares and has had numerous lucid dreams (even transitioning from nightmare to lucid dream)
I have no idea if further engaging with my dream state is healthy or not?
I have never heard of it being dangerous before, but if I had to speculate I’d say it probably depends on how you use it: You might be able to take command to end the nightmare but I’m not a doctor or psychiatrist but maybe in avoiding the nightmares altogether you’re denying yourself some sort of personal growth or insight?
The real answer is probably: More research needs to be done.
On rare occasion I’ve taken control of nightmares in a Lucid dream state - typically waiking up momentarily and then going back to sleep.
I’m just not sure if the psychic cost of having these types of intense dreams encoded in memory is healthier than just sleeping and not remembering.
A bit plagued by my dreams ( thereby my subconscious ) if I can remember them.
That was the question I guess, I hear the idea I should engage more to remember dreams, but not sure if that is healthy for people to do who have vivid and disturbing dreams regularly (eg. Under attack, people I love getting hurt ect…)
It’s probably safe. The very reason I started getting into lucid dreaming was to control my nightmares.
This is anecdotal, but I read a story by someone who learned to lucid dream and regretted it. They said they never felt like they slept anymore, because they’re lucid all day and night.
No idea about that, it never interfered with my sleep but I also didn’t do it frequently. These days I don’t even remember my dreams the majority of the time and I’ve kind of lost interest in the whole thing, takes discipline to accomplish in the first place and I kinda lost interest TBH.
I’ve heard training for lucid dreaming can kinda fuck you up, because it becomes harder for you to distinguish between dream and reality.
You can always stop trying to distinguish between dreams and reality and just accept whatever you’re experiencing as a sort of superposition of both.
The whole point of lucid dreaming is to take control over your dream so you can do all the things that you can’t do in real life. So if you start to lose a sense of when you’re in reality you might end up trying to do things you’d only do in your dreams.
The more fantastical elements of lucid dreams are as clearly unreal as playing a videogame. You know you’re dreaming and can control it.
My problem has been more that I can’t remember if something mundane happened in a dream or reality. I’ve had and remembered entire conversations which turned out to be dreams when I referenced them to the person in question.
A lot of my dreams - lucid or not - are just me doing my daily stuff, fully in control of my actions but not the scenario I am in.
Yeah that’s the worst kind of dream for me: the mundane realistic ones. It’s usually some combination of plausible anxiety-inducing real world issues, and of course the false memories.
Livin’ the dream (literally)
Schrodinger consciousnesses
Lucid dreaming literally means you’re aware you’re in a dream.
Thanks, Sherlock.
IDK about that, but I’ve only done it a few times. Mostly I just used to to fly around my neighborhood like they’d do in old Kung Fu movies.
I’ve tried it when I was younger (20s). I don’t really remember my dreams now. It is something like a muscle you need to keep using. Write down sentences, draw pics, doodle anything that will help you remember when you wake up.
I didn’t have problems distinguishing from reality, but I did want to sleep a lot more.
I mean sure we accept it, but we do put dreams to a high regard. Hence why you can say something is dreamy, or a dream come true.
Maybe we don’t know enough about dreams yet?
We know a ton about dreams, we just don’t know why exactly sleep “recharges” the brain which I find fascinating.
This guy assumes people write off dreaming but when I was 17 I was utterly fascinated with the subject and researched lucid dreaming for many years, even teaching myself how to do it. That rabbit hole is absolutely wild.
If anyone is interested in the subject, check out the book “Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming” by Stephen LaBerge, or watch the film Waking Life.
I think the commonly accepted theory is that your brain is sorting through the day, through problems, through life. Even just playing. This makes sense seeing as how quickly humans fall apart without sleep.
I was so tired once, that all I could hear was The Spice Girls Wannabe, and just the chorus because I never actually listened to their music, just the repetition of:
YO, I’ᒪᒪ TEᒪᒪ YOᑌ ᗯᕼᗩT I ᗯᗩᑎT ᗯᕼᗩT I ᖇEᗩᒪᒪY, ᖇEᗩᒪᒪY ᗯᗩᑎT
SO TEᒪᒪ ᗰE ᗯᕼᗩT YOᑌ ᗯᗩᑎT, ᗯᕼᗩT YOᑌ ᖇEᗩᒪᒪY, ᖇEᗩᒪᒪY ᗯᗩᑎT
